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2015-04-19 16:18:40
jean-louis
hello, users and devs
2015-04-19 16:19:11
rockn
hello jean-louis
2015-04-19 16:19:20
jean-louis
someone could explain me the fundamental difference between a 2d sketch and a 2d draft line...
2015-04-19 16:19:31
jean-louis
hello rockn
2015-04-19 16:20:02
rockn
jean-louis: the constrains
2015-04-19 16:20:36
jean-louis
ok, and why not to always use sketcher?
2015-04-19 16:22:28
rockn
depend what you want to do...
2015-04-19 16:23:03
jean-louis
nothing to do but just a question
2015-04-19 16:23:48
jean-louis
so, in which case i ll use sketcher and which case draft?
2015-04-19 16:24:16
rockn
there is a lot of reasons available, Draft WB allow Spline, BezCurve, "3D" object...
2015-04-19 16:25:02
rockn
Sketch are usefull to model a single object with the combination of Part Design WB
2015-04-19 16:25:31
jean-louis
ok, but with sketcher, i can do 3D too. so the difference is to get an object witch draft but sketcher no? is that?
2015-04-19 16:26:32
rockn
No in sketch WB you can onlu draw a line in a single plan. In Draft WB you can model a Spline in the whole 3D.
2015-04-19 16:26:56
rockn
(Excuse my langage, I not a native english speaker)
2015-04-19 16:27:13
jean-louis
me too, speak french
2015-04-19 16:27:20
rockn
Cool,
2015-04-19 16:28:00
rockn
Une esquisse peut devenir très lourde, c'est fait pour dessiner et modéliser un objet par étape.
2015-04-19 16:28:25
rockn
Avec l'atelier Draft, tu peux dessiner un contour fermé très complexe sans lourdeur...mais sans les contrainte bien sur...
2015-04-19 16:28:26
jean-louis
ok
2015-04-19 16:28:54
rockn
Ca reste éditable mais d'une autre manière que dans l'esquisseur.
2015-04-19 16:29:26
jean-louis
On s aide alors de la grille pour s assurer que les distances etc sont bien respectées par rapport à ce que l'on veut
2015-04-19 16:29:28
jean-louis
?
2015-04-19 16:30:15
rockn
On s'aide des outils d'accrochage surtout : http://freecadweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_Snap/fr
2015-04-19 16:30:26
danielfalck_
with Draft wb you can also import DXF entities
2015-04-19 16:31:06
danielfalck_
and then do things with them such as extrude
2015-04-19 16:32:15
jean-louis
ok
2015-04-19 16:33:31
jean-louis
thanks both for explications
2015-04-19 16:34:50
danielfalck_
I have some parts that I designed years ago, using Autocad
2015-04-19 16:35:00
danielfalck_
that I imported into FreeCAD for further work:
2015-04-19 16:35:02
danielfalck_
http://i.imgur.com/FCc83gC.png
2015-04-19 16:35:33
danielfalck_
I had tried recreating the design in sketcher, probably a year or more ago, but had problems
2015-04-19 16:35:45
danielfalck_
so I import the DXF for now
2015-04-19 16:36:36
rockn
Indeed, this is an example where design this in a single sketch (even just the outer wire) become a headache.
2015-04-19 16:37:58
danielfalck_
Yorik has numerous examples of things that he does as an Architect that don't lend well with the sketcher
2015-04-19 16:38:20
danielfalck_
but the sketcher/Part Design workbench work well for a lot of mechanical components
2015-04-19 17:19:10
supauli
Hi all! I am having weird trouble with 0.14 freecad -- running "union" on three shapes seems to be buggy (the shapes are complitely off, invalid faces appear where no face were)
2015-04-19 17:19:45
supauli
Any suggestions how to get around it ? I tried installing newer version (running ubuntu 14.04) but seems like ppa suggested have the same or older versions ..
2015-04-19 17:22:27
supauli
I tried also doin union between the problem shapes, and seems like the problem causer is sweeped & cutted solid (converted to solid and simple copied though)
2015-04-19 17:23:36
supauli
(and it does look ok, and geometry inspection gives me no errors .. )
2015-04-19 17:24:20
rockn
supauli: Yeah, PPA Stable is in trouble at the moment. Try PPA daily. About your problem, there is few possibilities...
2015-04-19 17:24:45
rockn
Coincident point, coplanar face, OCC bug... Can you share your model ?
2015-04-19 17:25:41
supauli
Sure, i was looking for suitable paste-bin-for-binary-files, any suggestions ?
2015-04-19 17:26:16
supauli
And thanks for your time all-ready. The model itself is very simple, i am sure you can sort this out with quick glance ;)
2015-04-19 17:26:43
supauli
(its 90deg smoth angle for pipe and cone-pipe)
2015-04-19 17:26:44
rockn
Not really...the forum ? Google drive, dropbox, owncloud....
2015-04-19 17:26:52
jean-louis
danielfalck, <rockn> ok tkanks
2015-04-19 17:28:32
supauli
Would this work: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2n85piq3kkxs76s/pipe90deg_we.fcstd?dl=0
2015-04-19 17:29:58
supauli
There should be three solids on the file, and i would like to make fusion of them ..
2015-04-19 17:30:22
supauli
I got the daily ppa to work, and ill try with newer version if the problem would be gone ..
2015-04-19 17:30:59
rockn
Ok, I got it, at first seeing, yes the problem is coincident line in the inner curve of the rounded pipe.
2015-04-19 17:32:24
rockn
The fusion work with 0.16.4857 and OCE 6.8.0 but there is invalid shapes...
2015-04-19 17:32:46
supauli
To fix it, i guess easiest way is to redo that part ?
2015-04-19 17:33:11
supauli
Is it proper way to do such round edge: make path (arch) and two circles -> sweep on both and make difference?
2015-04-19 17:33:22
supauli
s/edge/90 deg pipe edge
2015-04-19 17:33:52
supauli
(btw daily freecad seems to be hanging when doing the fusion .. :)
2015-04-19 17:34:21
rockn
Yes, hanging could be a sign of difficult bool operation ;)
2015-04-19 17:35:22
supauli
You are right! It did finish the fusion, but indeed, one of the parts turned very invalid looking
2015-04-19 17:42:05
rockn
supauli: I think the best thing to do is to have a little distance in the inner angle of the curved pipe to avoid coincident edge...I'm not sure I'm clear
2015-04-19 17:42:31
rockn
so yes you will have to redo/modify this part
2015-04-19 17:42:51
rockn
It's a limitation of OCE :/
2015-04-19 17:43:29
supauli
Thanks for the helP! "Little distance" - between what parts you mean ?
2015-04-19 17:43:44
supauli
like 0.01mm separation of the hollow cones to the rounded edges ?
2015-04-19 17:44:35
rockn
Well, the object pipe90deg28 must not have coincident edge
2015-04-19 17:46:06
rockn
Edge3 and Edge2 of pipe90deg28 are intersected, this is the cause of bad behavior you encounter...
2015-04-19 17:46:14
supauli
Um, sorry for having to explain everything but how did i generate such thing on that object ? -- its 'cut' between two (solid) sweeps along arc ..
2015-04-19 17:46:17
supauli
mh
2015-04-19 17:46:24
supauli
i guess i can get those visible somehow ?
2015-04-19 17:48:10
rockn
make the outer diameter smaller... ?
2015-04-19 17:48:47
supauli
The outer diameter of the sweep circle ? but i kind of need 2mm wall thickness here -- or are we talking about like 0.001 modifications ?
2015-04-19 17:49:03
rockn
yes like 0.001 modif
2015-04-19 17:49:29
supauli
So the outer circle of the sweep object 0.001 larger , lemme see
2015-04-19 17:49:53
supauli
btw: i redid similar part, with similar measurements with the daily version -- it happens with that too ..
2015-04-19 17:50:16
rockn
In fact I'm not so sure, the adge that are tlaking don't look as coincident as I say...
2015-04-19 17:51:23
supauli
Well, adding 0.001 to the outer circle radius made the union to seem to work ok at least
2015-04-19 17:51:46
supauli
(-> so problem solved, dont know what caused it but +1 on vote to make it disapear ;)
2015-04-19 18:32:09
supauli
It happened at some point again, so i should avoid edges that are 'excatly the same' ?
2015-04-19 18:34:56
rockn
Hum, yes, I learn that good pratice to make bool operation (at least in FreeCAD that use OCE) is to avoid coplanar face, coincident point, tangent edge...
2015-04-19 18:36:10
rockn
could you share the parametric freecad project ? sometimes there is good example to report bug to OCE team (shoogen make that to enhanced OCE and so FreeCAD)
2015-04-19 19:12:25
supauli
rockn: k, thanks i keep that in mind
2015-04-19 19:14:16
supauli
rockn: "parametric freecad project" -- sorry, i am not sure what you mean, but sure i can share that one
2015-04-19 19:14:17
supauli
oh
2015-04-19 19:14:26
supauli
you mean the one that did not have the solids i guess
2015-04-19 19:14:49
supauli
lemme see if i have that -- i have habit of removing all parameteric stuff as soon as i am done with them
2015-04-19 19:14:55
supauli
i guess hiding would make more sense ..
2015-04-19 19:15:08
rockn
I mean the project where there is part I can modify them.
2015-04-19 19:16:08
rockn
Indeed removing the parametric stuf is a pity
2015-04-19 19:20:08
supauli
How does one usually work with the different parts -- make one part ready (like that round part) -> solify -> copy-n-paste to another with more parts ?
2015-04-19 19:20:26
supauli
(a reference to tutorial doc would be fine answear .. :)
2015-04-19 19:21:25
supauli
Here is parametric model : thats the "try2" that i did -- to me it seems the same problem exists (i re-edited the radius to be the same) : https://www.dropbox.com/s/70tplroi4ma85pv/example_sweep_problem.fcstd?dl=0
2015-04-19 19:22:25
rockn
In your case, where you model a unique piece (I guess as you want to fuse them) you better model all in one doc, and keep the parametric history to modify it later.
2015-04-19 19:24:07
rockn
In case you want to make an assembly, there is good advise in this topic : http://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=8027
2015-04-19 20:06:40
supauli
rockn: K, ty for your time & help, good night!
2015-04-19 21:35:51
topcyde
Is there anyway to get the line down the side of a cylinder to go away?
2015-04-19 21:36:11
topcyde
Or any revolve for that matter?
2015-04-19 21:41:15
rockn
topcyde: Display Mode : Shaded ?
2015-04-19 21:44:34
topcyde
that gets rid of all the lines. I just hat the one going down the side of an extruded circle or a revolve. It's a knit line and it makes some projects look really tacky. Most 3d software has figured out how to get rid of it.
2015-04-19 22:09:23
verus
hello, this is my first time using freecad, i created a wall (from scratch not following a line) and i want to adjust its width but i can't find any way to do that
2015-04-19 22:09:41
verus
the walls come in at different sizes randomly ( i want it to be 8 inches thick)
2015-04-19 22:13:00
verus
or i guess i can';t change the length
2015-04-19 22:14:31
rockn
verus: from scratch, how ? by python ?
2015-04-19 22:15:12
verus
no, by clicking the wall icon and placing it on there
2015-04-19 22:15:19
verus
i meant by scratch - not my drawing a wall on a line or some othjer object
2015-04-19 22:16:41
rockn
verus: hum, what FreeCAD version ? what is the icon of the object you get ?
2015-04-19 22:17:18
rockn
clicking the wall icon allow you to make a wall from one point to another (by picking it in the 3d view)
2015-04-19 22:17:33
verus
0.15
2015-04-19 22:17:50
verus
maybe i'm doing everytthing wrong, i was just trying to design a shed
2015-04-19 22:18:11
verus
the icon of object i get is the wall one, bunch of bricks
2015-04-19 22:18:24
verus
i set height: 96, length: 96, width:8
2015-04-19 22:18:31
verus
but it's not 96x96x8
2015-04-19 22:20:07
rockn
did you set your unit system according to your use : Edit/Preference/ Units Tab ?
2015-04-19 22:20:28
verus
yes
2015-04-19 22:20:46
verus
basically, no matter what i set for 'length' it doesn't affect my wall
2015-04-19 22:20:52
verus
even if i set 1000000 it still stays the same
2015-04-19 22:21:45
rockn
To change the property of the wall : clic on it, look at Data tab of his property and change Width
2015-04-19 22:21:54
verus
i've done that
2015-04-19 22:22:03
verus
i can make it bigger and smaller
2015-04-19 22:22:11
verus
well, i can make it higher
2015-04-19 22:22:29
verus
but i can't make it longer
2015-04-19 22:22:41
TTN
topcyde, you can set the line color and face color to be the same so its effectively invisible. Haven't tested it myself but that should work.
2015-04-19 22:23:13
rockn
Ok, to change the length you have to edit the BaseLine of your wall object...
2015-04-19 22:23:49
verus
screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/mEpkw2M.png
2015-04-19 22:24:12
verus
so 'walltrace03'
2015-04-19 22:24:14
verus
003
2015-04-19 22:24:24
rockn
yeah, under Wall in the tree view there is WallTrace003, double clic on it
2015-04-19 22:24:44
TTN
verus, go to the part design workbench. go to the part design drop down menu, select create new sketch. make your shape (wall) with dimensions and then use the pad function to make it as thick as you need.
2015-04-19 22:25:14
TTN
in the sketcher you can set constraints, dimensions and lots of nice stuffs
2015-04-19 22:25:34
verus
what's the architecture portion for then
2015-04-19 22:25:48
TTN
no idea (^_^)
2015-04-19 22:25:55
TTN
I just go with sketches..
2015-04-19 22:26:23
verus
i'll try this
2015-04-19 22:26:35
rockn
indeed, double clic on the walltrace and go to Sketch workbench or Part Design Workbench to set length of the line
2015-04-19 22:27:17
TTN
I've been using freecad for over a year and only use the part design, part, draft and raytracing workbenches
2015-04-19 22:27:31
TTN
It does what I need so yea ^_^
2015-04-19 22:27:58
rockn
It's in French but it's basically show how to make Architecture with FreeCAD : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=331N7aBSLsU
2015-04-19 22:28:59
topcyde
TTN: nope, just want the knit line to disappear.
2015-04-19 22:29:57
verus
thanks guys
2015-04-19 22:32:16
TTN
topcyde, you could try a feature request.. or implement it yourself. looks impossible atm.
2015-04-19 22:45:59
normandc
topcyde, TTN: the seam line on the side of cylinders is due to the geometric modeling kernel, Open Cascade. FreeCAD cannot do anything about it, a feature request would not be very useful. Unless tanderson69 can enhance the removeSplitter code (used by Part Refine) to remove seam lines. I'm betting that will be difficult.
2015-04-19 22:47:36
topcyde
I'm starting to notice a trend with my frustrations with freecad... consistently problems with cascade.
2015-04-19 22:52:25
normandc
yes... Open Cascade is often the source of geometry bugs and limitations. It is the only open source modeling kernel, and it is inferior to the commercial ones like Parasolid, ACIS, CGM...
2015-04-19 22:53:35
normandc
... And even if a new and better open source kernel was to be introduced, it would be near impossible for FreeCAD to switch to it.
2015-04-19 22:57:58
prokoudine_
prokoudine_ waves to normandc
2015-04-19 22:58:24
normandc
waves back
2015-04-19 23:01:04
prokoudine_
normandc, yorik: looks like ian suddenly got quite a financial support :)
2015-04-19 23:02:15
yorik
wow!!
2015-04-19 23:02:53
normandc
prokoudine_: yes, I was very happy Aleph Objects decided to pitch in. They've been using FreeCAD in the development of their Lulzbot 3D printers. They mostly run open source software on Debian. Except the R&D still use SolidWorks.
2015-04-19 23:05:09
topcyde
normandc: I came to that conclusion quit a while ago. been looking at the oce kernel on github as I get reading time trying to understand it better. Maybe I'll get enough of a clue and be able to contribute.
2015-04-20 02:42:16
UberDuper
I'm new to cad and freecad. Just messing around with it to try and 3d print a few things.
2015-04-20 02:42:40
UberDuper
I downloaded a step file for a part and opened it up. I'm trying get measurements from it.
2015-04-20 02:46:54
TTN
UberDuper, part workbench -> select the tape measure. ctrl + click for start point. ctrl + click for the endpoint of the measurement on the object
2015-04-20 02:52:40
UberDuper
I've tried doing that and I've been able to get the angles I need. But getting the distance from one edge to another seems to give me unexpected results.
2015-04-20 02:53:51
UberDuper
Selecting two corners, it'll give me the measurement of basically a random hypotenuse using the two points I've selected.
2015-04-20 02:54:02
UberDuper
Seemingly random, at least.
2015-04-20 02:54:10
UberDuper
And I get 3 numbers.
2015-04-20 02:56:44
UberDuper
Oh the two points it's actually measuring aren't in the same plane.
2015-04-20 03:43:00
topcyde
UberDuper: look at the delta of the two points you're measuring
2015-04-20 05:42:56
UberDuper
Probably a silly question.. But is there any way to "scetch" an object on all 3 planes?
2015-04-20 05:44:24
topcyde
UberDuper: why would you want to?
2015-04-20 05:45:53
UberDuper
Because I don't know what I'm doing. :) I want to create an irregular trapezoidal prism and I don't see any obvious way to do it.
2015-04-20 05:46:40
topcyde
irregular in what way?
2015-04-20 05:47:29
UberDuper
For example, take a pyramid and move the top point to a side.
2015-04-20 05:48:31
UberDuper
If I could create a prism and define the length of each edge, or the angles of each side, that would make sense to me.
2015-04-20 05:50:15
topcyde
try a loft. from what you're describing that's what you're trying to do.
2015-04-20 05:50:36
topcyde
in the part workbench
2015-04-20 05:53:16
UberDuper
A loft is probably the way I have to do it.
2015-04-20 05:54:28
UberDuper
Does a loft require the top and bottom sizes to be parallel?
2015-04-20 05:54:45
UberDuper
s/sizes/sides
2015-04-20 05:55:07
topcyde
no I don't think so in freecad
2015-04-20 05:58:58
UberDuper
I'm trying to reproduce this shape to use for a cut out of something
2015-04-20 05:59:00
UberDuper
https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.hipchat.com/50112/338527/SqWdsuTVrPT8wYd/upload.png
2015-04-20 06:05:44
topcyde
make a rectangle on the xy plane and extrude it, then make a sketch on the zy plane that when extruded will intersect the original extrusion. Use a boolean to subtract extrudeB from extrudeA. then go in and add all the chamfers and radii.
2015-04-20 06:13:41
UberDuper
Okay. I worked on that approach for a bit. What screws me up is that none of the angles on that shape a 90 degree.
2015-04-20 06:15:48
topcyde
so there's some draft to the boss?
2015-04-20 06:18:31
UberDuper
I don't know what you mean by "some draft."
2015-04-20 06:21:07
topcyde
taper
2015-04-20 06:21:35
topcyde
1 to 5 degrees of taper around it
2015-04-20 06:21:56
UberDuper
Yes
2015-04-20 06:21:58
topcyde
;ike a steep walled pyramid
2015-04-20 06:23:38
topcyde
the part design workbench has a draft tool
2015-04-20 06:24:38
topcyde
allow you to apply the taper to the additional faces no effected by the boolean subtraction
2015-04-20 06:30:52
UberDuper
Perfect!
2015-04-20 06:54:53
TTN
so you got it sorted UberDuper?
2015-04-20 06:56:18
UberDuper
I have a path. This is all new to me so it's all learning.
2015-04-20 06:57:22
topcyde
the only way to learn is to make parts. there's no short cut unfortunately.
2015-04-20 07:07:39
TTN
just ask if you get stuck I won't bite
2015-04-20 07:08:59
UberDuper
I still haven't figured out how to pull measurements from an existing design.
2015-04-20 07:09:17
UberDuper
I've been using the grabcad viewer to get them and it seems subawesomal.
2015-04-20 07:10:30
TTN
part design bench -> tape measure and ctrl click two points.
2015-04-20 07:11:06
UberDuper
It gives me odd results.
2015-04-20 07:11:55
UberDuper
And I can't get it to use exact points.
2015-04-20 07:41:46
UberDuper
Heh. Now I don't believe the numbers this grabcad viewer is telling me.
2015-04-20 07:42:05
TTN
lol. You could also try meshlab
2015-04-20 07:42:24
TTN
I zoom in a lot, then pick a point to get a bit more accuracy
2015-04-20 07:42:46
TTN
and pick inside the lines a little bit so that you get the point on the face you wanted not past on the other side
2015-04-20 07:42:56
UberDuper
The lengths this is telling me are impossible with the angles it's telling me. :)
2015-04-20 07:43:05
TTN
link to step?
2015-04-20 07:43:45
UberDuper
https://grabcad.com/library/hornady-lnl-press-1
2015-04-20 07:45:12
UberDuper
I have my shape now by using the draft tool.
2015-04-20 07:45:47
TTN
heck 450mb of cad
2015-04-20 07:45:58
UberDuper
There's individual files
2015-04-20 07:46:29
UberDuper
Much smaller.
2015-04-20 07:46:55
UberDuper
I don't remember which one I'm using. It takes freecad about 10 minutes to open them.
2015-04-20 07:59:53
TTN
yep.. opening.. 10mb step
2015-04-20 08:00:03
TTN
UberDuper, which measurements do you need?
2015-04-20 08:01:17
UberDuper
I think I have all the angles. So all I really need are the measurements of the base of the boss and the radius of the fillet.
2015-04-20 08:03:05
TTN
lol loading stilll :P
2015-04-20 08:04:18
UberDuper
Is that normal?
2015-04-20 08:04:53
UberDuper
I've got a fairly zippy computer but freecad wasn't using much cpu while opening that.
2015-04-20 08:06:07
TTN
no not really. normally doesn't take that long.. Mine isn't that old either. It's taking up one whole cpu core though.
2015-04-20 08:36:08
UberDuper
So I have to export my part as a cad in order to import it and use it to make a cut in another part?
2015-04-20 08:37:11
UberDuper
Doing that, I lose the ability to modify the original part.
2015-04-20 08:37:40
TTN
what format is the original part int?
2015-04-20 08:37:43
TTN
*in?
2015-04-20 08:37:53
UberDuper
The one I just made.
2015-04-20 08:38:43
TTN
parts that are made in freecad can be cut joined etc with other parts made in freecad
2015-04-20 08:38:57
TTN
you can do meshes but it gets tricky and messy
2015-04-20 08:39:05
TTN
and unstable at times
2015-04-20 08:41:05
UberDuper
I saved off this boss via Part | Export CAD. Started a new project, made a cube, imported the cad and used it to make a cut in the cube.
2015-04-20 08:41:16
UberDuper
Basically making an impression of the boss in the cube.
2015-04-20 08:42:07
UberDuper
Seems like the not the correct way to do it.
2015-04-20 08:48:07
UberDuper
I'll spend some more time with the docs tomorrow.
2015-04-20 08:48:11
UberDuper
I've got to call it a night.
2015-04-20 08:48:17
UberDuper
Thank you both for all the help.
2015-04-20 08:50:38
TTN
yea all goods :)
2015-04-20 08:50:46
TTN
gime a yell tomorrow if I'm on and you're stuck
2015-04-21 12:19:32
Qantourisc
segfault when going to draft, any ideas ?
2015-04-21 12:22:42
Qantourisc
ok now i get a missing symbols :/
2015-04-21 14:59:49
Qantourisc
Freecad needs python 2.4 ?
2015-04-21 15:01:17
Qantourisc
ok it just tripped over an old python version
2015-04-21 17:05:51
Qantourisc
What is the best way to export a 2D sketch to dxf ?
2015-04-21 17:06:01
Qantourisc
(and what program to put them together in ?)
2015-04-21 17:08:27
Qantourisc
librecat ?
2015-04-21 17:39:32
Qantourisc
project + export seems to work nicely
2015-04-21 19:12:11
supa2015
Hi all, me here bothering you all again. I got this (almost the same model) again: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fan51yr8lts9q9l/outlet.fcstd?dl=0
2015-04-21 19:12:45
supa2015
When doing union between the three shapes, it creates something that has some problems (invalid face drawn, invalid face on exported .stl)
2015-04-21 19:13:11
supa2015
rockn helped me last time, saying that i should avoid "excatly" same circles on the parts, but the trick seems not to work this time
2015-04-21 19:13:33
supa2015
i tried also separting the parts with 0.001 but even that didnt seem to help
2015-04-21 19:14:12
supa2015
Any hints how the get the fusion to work properly (i need to make fusion to get single stl out of the full model, to order from 3d-printing)
2015-04-21 19:14:20
supa2015
I am using 14.04 from ppa:daily
2015-04-21 22:13:41
Qantourisc
6 degrees freedom left
2015-04-21 22:13:45
Qantourisc
can't find a single one :/
2015-04-21 22:14:55
Qantourisc
they should add a "jiggle" functionality
2015-04-21 22:15:06
Qantourisc
so you can shake the model and see what is not connected
2015-04-21 22:46:21
rockn
Qantourisc: http://freecadweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Macro_Shake_Sketch
2015-04-21 22:46:37
Qantourisc
<3
2015-04-21 22:46:50
rockn
;)
2015-04-21 22:46:57
Qantourisc
rockn: where do i drop this baby ?
2015-04-21 22:47:23
Qantourisc
nvm
2015-04-21 22:47:24
Qantourisc
gui says
2015-04-21 22:48:27
Qantourisc
bit agressive :p
2015-04-21 22:48:32
rockn
Qantourisc: http://freecadweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Macros
2015-04-21 22:48:52
Qantourisc
cvar on top :p
2015-04-21 22:49:00
rockn
Sorry I m going to sleep, can't explain much
2015-04-21 22:49:08
Qantourisc
rockn: still not sure if it's a good or bad idea to make a pc case :)
2015-04-21 22:49:16
Qantourisc
rockn: np, you helped more then enough
2015-04-22 00:04:22
linuxgecko
http://pastebin.com/0L2hCAfc
2015-04-22 00:04:41
linuxgecko
can someone recommend a way around this?
2015-04-22 00:06:16
linuxgecko
http://pastebin.com/gHMAhsM2
2015-04-22 00:08:01
linuxgecko
arobinson: hey there:) might you be able to help with my compiling issue?
2015-04-22 00:08:53
linuxgecko
i know what the problem is, but i don't know the best solution
2015-04-22 00:09:54
linuxgecko
well, the temporary best solution. the best solution is to fix the cmake criteria in the master to not be so assumptive.
2015-04-22 00:27:38
linuxgecko
i have multiple python installations, but 3.3.5 is my active one..
2015-04-22 02:40:20
Moult
anyone here know how to use finite element analysis software? (ideally calculix, but abaqus or just knowing principles would be good enough)
2015-04-22 03:08:25
topcyde
what are you trying to do?
2015-04-22 03:25:33
TTN
Moult, what software are you using?
2015-04-22 05:43:41
Qantourisc
dang missed linuxgecko yesterday :/
2015-04-22 05:43:54
Qantourisc
PS anyone knows what a good/ok price is for laser cutting ?
2015-04-22 08:06:19
Qantourisc
Can one disable/freeze the solver ?
2015-04-22 08:06:30
Qantourisc
it's making complex editing a pita because of slowdowns
2015-04-22 08:07:57
Qantourisc
also how to itterupt it when it's trying to find a solution for something that isn't there ? (faulty constrains)
2015-04-22 08:24:06
TTN
Qantourisc, you compiling yourself?
2015-04-22 08:24:31
Qantourisc
TTN: wel yes was just looking at those, looks like it's only compiled with -O3
2015-04-22 08:24:37
Qantourisc
adding march would help maybe a bit
2015-04-22 08:24:54
TTN
Qantourisc, use the option -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release .
2015-04-22 08:24:56
Qantourisc
but cmake is such a pita to find where to add this carp:/
2015-04-22 08:24:58
TTN
instead of debug
2015-04-22 08:25:03
TTN
it makes it a TON faster
2015-04-22 08:25:03
Qantourisc
on release
2015-04-22 08:25:07
TTN
oh right
2015-04-22 08:25:30
Qantourisc
not fast enough
2015-04-22 08:25:36
TTN
old hardware?
2015-04-22 08:25:39
Qantourisc
~1 second to turn a white line into blue
2015-04-22 08:25:45
TTN
ouch
2015-04-22 08:25:49
Qantourisc
AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor
2015-04-22 08:26:27
TTN
nice. faster than my machine on the benchmark chart
2015-04-22 08:26:41
Qantourisc
still waiting on AMD-Zen :p
2015-04-22 08:27:06
TTN
well thats odd. I'm not getting slowdowns like that.
2015-04-22 08:27:22
Qantourisc
TTN: simple contrainss: fly
2015-04-22 08:27:30
Qantourisc
any sort of grid-like behaviour
2015-04-22 08:27:32
Qantourisc
bang
2015-04-22 08:27:50
Qantourisc
Still not sure if I should continue this project
2015-04-22 08:28:02
TTN
what are you making?
2015-04-22 08:28:08
Qantourisc
computer case :p
2015-04-22 08:28:19
TTN
ah that's you :)
2015-04-22 08:28:25
TTN
you were talking about it earlier
2015-04-22 08:28:31
Qantourisc
yep :p
2015-04-22 08:28:41
TTN
I mainly use it for 3d printing
2015-04-22 08:28:53
Qantourisc
Well, i'd have to get it CNC'd or lasered
2015-04-22 08:29:01
Qantourisc
~75⬠i think it would cost
2015-04-22 08:29:06
TTN
not bad
2015-04-22 08:29:07
Qantourisc
or cut by hand :p
2015-04-22 08:29:12
Qantourisc
estimated
2015-04-22 08:29:32
Qantourisc
50⬠for "setup cost" seems to be the price from earlier stuff i got a quote on (but never got trough)
2015-04-22 08:29:47
Qantourisc
so with the amount of time this will need on the bench at 25⬠:D
2015-04-22 08:29:52
TTN
got a screenshot of the constraints that are lagging it? or even a copy of the .FCStd and I can load it up and see if it lags if you want..
2015-04-22 08:29:59
Qantourisc
but it will be also 75⬠on metal i think :D
2015-04-22 08:30:17
Qantourisc
TTN: sure, meanwhile you happen to know how to add custom compile flags to gcc ?
2015-04-22 08:30:42
Qantourisc
aa could crap it cmakelit
2015-04-22 08:30:44
TTN
Qantourisc, nope. I'd have to dig in and hack around too :P
2015-04-22 08:33:13
Qantourisc
TTN: every mistake i make is 50⬠assuming i can't fix it by hand
2015-04-22 08:34:09
TTN
Qantourisc, could cut n fit everything on cardboard first.
2015-04-22 08:34:23
TTN
glue some printout paper to it..
2015-04-22 08:34:35
Qantourisc
yea was thinking about that tooo
2015-04-22 08:34:59
Qantourisc
I hate cmake
2015-04-22 08:35:21
TTN
what version of freecad?
2015-04-22 08:35:27
Qantourisc
git
2015-04-22 08:35:29
Qantourisc
master
2015-04-22 08:36:03
TTN
same. somewhat outdated.. a month or two maybe
2015-04-22 08:39:31
Qantourisc
"Manually-specified variables were not used by the project:" "MAKE_CXX_FLAGS"
2015-04-22 08:39:40
Qantourisc
welll ... quess those are not the right oines then
2015-04-22 08:40:15
Qantourisc
DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS works
2015-04-22 08:41:08
Qantourisc
rebuilding and getting some foood
2015-04-22 08:41:39
TTN
compile on all the cores!
2015-04-22 08:41:59
TTN
lol I was compiling on one core at first. 40 minutes :P
2015-04-22 08:42:42
Qantourisc
:p
2015-04-22 08:43:03
Qantourisc
TTN: i fear the chasis i design will be flimsy
2015-04-22 08:43:23
Qantourisc
also i'm missing the "bend part" feature
2015-04-22 08:45:41
TTN
not sure what that feature is but ok
2015-04-22 08:46:02
Qantourisc
euu sec
2015-04-22 08:46:40
Qantourisc
TTN: putting a piece between a brake
2015-04-22 08:46:48
Qantourisc
and bending it
2015-04-22 08:47:28
Qantourisc
http://headoffice.dyn.megasoft.be:8080/tmp/ComputerCaseDesign1b.fcstd
2015-04-22 08:51:04
TTN
how did you get those folder ins the design?
2015-04-22 08:51:22
Qantourisc
TTN: folders ? you mean groups ?
2015-04-22 08:51:32
Qantourisc
rightclick add group ?
2015-04-22 08:52:10
TTN
oh on the project name at the top of the tree
2015-04-22 08:52:27
TTN
lol. using it for over a year and didn't figure that out.
2015-04-22 08:52:35
TTN
that will be very helpful for me
2015-04-22 08:52:58
Qantourisc
I miss a proper hirachy of operations :
2015-04-22 08:52:58
Qantourisc
:
2015-04-22 08:52:59
Qantourisc
:/
2015-04-22 08:54:20
Qantourisc
it's so slow i can create racing conditions :D
2015-04-22 08:54:30
TTN
what are you editing?
2015-04-22 08:54:49
Qantourisc
the unextruded sketch
2015-04-22 08:54:50
TTN
rather, which sketch?
2015-04-22 08:54:55
Qantourisc
Case backplate
2015-04-22 08:54:59
Qantourisc
thinking of it
2015-04-22 08:55:01
Qantourisc
it's to big
2015-04-22 08:55:10
Qantourisc
unless i'm ok with having a L sticking out the back
2015-04-22 08:56:03
TTN
its not slow for me.
2015-04-22 08:56:06
TTN
its fine
2015-04-22 08:56:17
Qantourisc
WTF ?
2015-04-22 08:56:40
Qantourisc
what fps do ou get ?
2015-04-22 08:56:43
TTN
theres a really slow delay between drawing a many part polyline and turning it into a blue line but its minor
2015-04-22 08:57:12
TTN
72fps
2015-04-22 08:57:26
TTN
60 - 90 ish
2015-04-22 08:57:33
Qantourisc
i get ~400ms ? to turn a line color ?
2015-04-22 08:57:52
Qantourisc
TTN: 28fps
2015-04-22 08:57:55
TTN
13.5ms
2015-04-22 08:58:00
Qantourisc
might it be running on not GPU ?
2015-04-22 08:58:30
TTN
intel i5 second gen, 3300 points on the benchmark (yours is over 4000).. intel intergrated gpu. hd4000 on linux x64
2015-04-22 08:58:47
TTN
no idea. maybe.
2015-04-22 08:59:09
Qantourisc
looks like a bloody gif animation on my pc
2015-04-22 08:59:24
Qantourisc
lets do some debuggin :/
2015-04-22 08:59:24
TTN
what os?
2015-04-22 08:59:34
Qantourisc
Linux
2015-04-22 08:59:38
TTN
ok
2015-04-22 08:59:43
Qantourisc
hmmm i am pushing my memory limit atm though
2015-04-22 08:59:51
TTN
how much?
2015-04-22 09:00:10
Qantourisc
3000GB free
2015-04-22 09:00:11
Qantourisc
nvm
2015-04-22 09:00:15
Qantourisc
i mean 3
2015-04-22 09:00:28
TTN
should be plenty.
2015-04-22 09:00:31
TTN
plenty
2015-04-22 09:01:01
Qantourisc
ok it's not undo history
2015-04-22 09:01:43
Qantourisc
TTN: is Anti-Alaising on or off ?
2015-04-22 09:02:06
TTN
Qantourisc, off.
2015-04-22 09:02:16
TTN
I've set it to msaa x8
2015-04-22 09:02:36
Qantourisc
any difference ?
2015-04-22 09:02:37
TTN
pretty much the same response times and fps
2015-04-22 09:02:45
TTN
14.5ms
2015-04-22 09:02:51
TTN
79fps
2015-04-22 09:03:15
TTN
I suspect its the version of freecad
2015-04-22 09:03:19
TTN
sometimes things break.
2015-04-22 09:03:29
Qantourisc
TTN: ok euu
2015-04-22 09:03:32
TTN
I had a release that would segfault on using keyboard shortcuts
2015-04-22 09:03:32
Qantourisc
git ... euu ... ?
2015-04-22 09:03:40
Qantourisc
i don't know jist
2015-04-22 09:03:45
Qantourisc
what euu rev are you on ?
2015-04-22 09:03:50
TTN
euu?
2015-04-22 09:04:40
Qantourisc
exactly :)
2015-04-22 09:04:46
TTN
right.
2015-04-22 09:05:36
TTN
whats the command to check again?
2015-04-22 09:05:56
Qantourisc
TTN: check what ?
2015-04-22 09:05:59
TTN
ah.
2015-04-22 09:06:01
TTN
git rev-parse HEAD
2015-04-22 09:06:11
Qantourisc
well ... yea i think that's it not sure :p
2015-04-22 09:06:14
Qantourisc
what's your ?
2015-04-22 09:06:23
TTN
mine is c9e896c669ed74a62a08d12e16810cf4e18f9319
2015-04-22 09:07:56
Qantourisc
hmmm need to pull that first it seems
2015-04-22 09:08:45
TTN
To revert to a commit that's older than the most recent commit:
2015-04-22 09:08:45
TTN
# Resets index to former commit; replace '56e05fced' with your commit code
2015-04-22 09:08:45
TTN
git reset 56e05fced
2015-04-22 09:09:03
TTN
^ stackoverflow.com :)
2015-04-22 09:09:30
Qantourisc
well that index is a lot shorter then yours :p
2015-04-22 09:11:16
TTN
yea. Normally they're long like that.
2015-04-22 09:11:59
Qantourisc
a ok it's reset
2015-04-22 09:12:04
Qantourisc
but might not have the local datal
2015-04-22 09:12:52
TTN
ah or the checkout command
2015-04-22 09:13:00
TTN
git checkout <commit>
2015-04-22 09:13:08
Qantourisc
i checkied it out from my package-manager :p
2015-04-22 09:13:19
TTN
^ that should work
2015-04-22 09:13:23
Qantourisc
nope
2015-04-22 09:13:26
Qantourisc
it only has master
2015-04-22 09:13:30
Qantourisc
and it's a file://
2015-04-22 09:14:05
TTN
there's been a bajillion commits so I'll update to the lastest
2015-04-22 09:14:15
TTN
see how that goes
2015-04-22 09:14:34
Qantourisc
:p
2015-04-22 09:14:38
Qantourisc
meanwhile i'll try going down
2015-04-22 09:14:51
Qantourisc
fatal: Couldn't find remote ref c9e896c669ed74a62a08d12e16810cf4e18f931
2015-04-22 09:15:01
Qantourisc
whatever your on, it's not on github :/
2015-04-22 09:15:26
TTN
git clone git://git.code.sf.net/p/free-cad/code
2015-04-22 09:15:30
TTN
same one?
2015-04-22 09:15:38
Qantourisc
TTN: ps what would you do ? go for making the case or not ? :p
2015-04-22 09:15:48
Qantourisc
TTN: i'm on the github one
2015-04-22 09:15:55
Qantourisc
let me try that one
2015-04-22 09:16:09
TTN
lol I have slow internet so it takes ages to fetch stuffs
2015-04-22 09:16:19
Qantourisc
TTN: looks like it's your own private rev :)
2015-04-22 09:16:25
Qantourisc
not on SF either
2015-04-22 09:16:40
TTN
ah.
2015-04-22 09:17:04
TTN
I'm running off the one linked to on the wiki compile page: http://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=CompileOnUnix#Compile_FreeCAD
2015-04-22 09:17:11
TTN
but I'll try the later one
2015-04-22 09:17:27
TTN
this one? https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD_sf_master
2015-04-22 09:18:16
Qantourisc
https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD_sf_master
2015-04-22 09:18:19
Qantourisc
yea
2015-04-22 09:18:32
TTN
I don't know. personally I'd probably go snatch a cheap second case from ebay or so :P #studentlife
2015-04-22 09:18:47
Qantourisc
TTN: well, this one is too small :p
2015-04-22 09:18:56
Qantourisc
i'd need one with psu at the bottem
2015-04-22 09:18:58
Qantourisc
at least
2015-04-22 09:19:06
Qantourisc
also i'd be a dam blessing to get one with dust fitlers
2015-04-22 09:19:17
Qantourisc
carrying the dam thing down to unclean is a hazard
2015-04-22 09:19:45
Qantourisc
crap stuck in zoom mode again !!!
2015-04-22 09:19:51
TTN
I know someone who has a thermaltake case. had filters. very nice. paid 150usd.
2015-04-22 09:20:06
TTN
probably cheaper out your way.
2015-04-22 09:20:17
Qantourisc
hehe :)
2015-04-22 09:20:31
Qantourisc
well would be roughly the same by my estimate atm :p
2015-04-22 09:21:47
TTN
lol retailer knows how to mark ups stuffs
2015-04-22 09:21:58
Qantourisc
?
2015-04-22 09:21:59
TTN
90usd on newegg
2015-04-22 09:22:04
TTN
same case as he has
2015-04-22 09:22:50
TTN
tbh I'd buy a case.. but why not build one? would be cool. If you have the time why not
2015-04-22 09:23:08
Qantourisc
well for starters
2015-04-22 09:23:11
Qantourisc
freecad is slow :)
2015-04-22 09:23:25
TTN
LOL yea
2015-04-22 09:24:58
Qantourisc
but kinda want to do something in laser once, to have another tool i can use when i need it
2015-04-22 09:25:45
Qantourisc
hmm idea
2015-04-22 09:26:15
Qantourisc
ok not a bug with multiscreen either
2015-04-22 09:26:38
Qantourisc
ok it's related to cpu
2015-04-22 09:26:50
Qantourisc
but i couldn't possibly be doing a profile :/
2015-04-22 09:27:30
TTN
how you know its the cpu?
2015-04-22 09:27:36
TTN
I'd look at plywood. I like wood..
2015-04-22 09:27:44
TTN
google images time.. custom pc case..
2015-04-22 09:27:49
Qantourisc
wel i mean cpu constrained
2015-04-22 09:28:03
Qantourisc
TTN: plywood implies manual cutting :D
2015-04-22 09:28:19
TTN
no : 3 you got a laser right?
2015-04-22 09:28:32
Qantourisc
if i had a laser there would be "no" problem :p
2015-04-22 09:28:41
Qantourisc
i don't have a laser
2015-04-22 09:28:46
TTN
eh. ok. I thought you had one
2015-04-22 09:29:40
Qantourisc
if i had the money to buy a laser that can cut sheet metal ... i'd be less worried about the cost of the computer case :D
2015-04-22 09:30:07
TTN
want to save some money?
2015-04-22 09:30:18
Qantourisc
not sure :p
2015-04-22 09:30:28
Qantourisc
assuming it will last a lifetime ...
2015-04-22 09:30:41
TTN
haha ok so cardboard box is out then :D:D
2015-04-22 09:30:45
TTN
xD
2015-04-22 09:30:53
Qantourisc
cardboard would collapse :p
2015-04-22 09:30:53
TTN
;)
2015-04-22 09:32:05
Qantourisc
TTN: on new version ?
2015-04-22 09:32:14
TTN
still downloading
2015-04-22 09:32:20
Qantourisc
this slowdown is getting fustrating :p
2015-04-22 09:32:35
Qantourisc
I should be working on my paid projects though :)
2015-04-22 09:33:27
Qantourisc
TTN: to put the cost in pespective, i'll be speding 10 times more on bread in the next 10 years :)
2015-04-22 09:34:03
TTN
Qantourisc, do it well, do it once right?
2015-04-22 09:34:12
Qantourisc
yep :p
2015-04-22 09:34:31
TTN
my trouble is I get impatient.
2015-04-22 09:34:47
Qantourisc
TTN: i know how to grind :p
2015-04-22 09:37:04
TTN
lol someone made a case out of lego another has his pc in a heineken crate
2015-04-22 09:37:15
Qantourisc
:)
2015-04-22 09:37:22
Qantourisc
i'd consider lego before wood btw :p
2015-04-22 09:37:42
Qantourisc
problem is lining the dam wood or lego with alluminium foil
2015-04-22 09:37:56
bleader
I didn't follow the whole chat, but I personnaly used a wood board with a few screws to hold the motherboard for a while :D
2015-04-22 09:38:02
TTN
thats required?
2015-04-22 09:38:04
bleader
and a drawer at some point
2015-04-22 09:38:13
TTN
LOL nice
2015-04-22 09:38:15
Qantourisc
TTN: recommended, not required
2015-04-22 09:38:36
Qantourisc
bleader: drawer sounds nice :p
2015-04-22 09:38:45
Qantourisc
bleader: still have to attach it to my desk somehow
2015-04-22 09:38:49
Qantourisc
wich i still have to make :p
2015-04-22 09:38:54
TTN
+1 drawer
2015-04-22 09:39:15
Qantourisc
but not sure if i should risk moddling the case to the desk ....
2015-04-22 09:39:42
Qantourisc
Iwant copy paste in sketcher :p
2015-04-22 09:39:49
TTN
mount everything onto a board, which goes into the drawer
2015-04-22 09:40:09
bleader
oh yeah, not being able copy/paste in sketcher is confusing at first :p
2015-04-22 09:40:17
TTN
Receiving objects: 33% (18187/53545), 130.32 MiB | 263.00 KiB/s <- such speed
2015-04-22 09:40:24
Qantourisc
bleader: confusing how ?
2015-04-22 09:40:32
Qantourisc
TTN: you on fax ? :p
2015-04-22 09:40:45
bleader
like I didn't understand why it was not available :p
2015-04-22 09:40:52
TTN
lol thats my max speed. welcome to new zealand xD
2015-04-22 09:41:03
Qantourisc
TTN: not every drawer is big enough
2015-04-22 09:41:05
Qantourisc
most are not
2015-04-22 09:41:13
Qantourisc
also a few complications with that :p
2015-04-22 09:41:28
Qantourisc
Suppose I could make it "top-hook-mounted"
2015-04-22 09:41:33
Qantourisc
that would work in most desks
2015-04-22 09:42:05
Qantourisc
But mouting and dismounting can be a pita, standing is better
2015-04-22 09:43:59
Qantourisc
i can draw a ton of lines ... that apear on the screen ... later
2015-04-22 09:44:13
Qantourisc
this would be funny if it wasn' this sad
2015-04-22 09:46:03
Qantourisc
atleast i can queue commands :p
2015-04-22 09:46:51
TTN
some cool lego cases out there :)
2015-04-22 09:47:08
Qantourisc
TTN: i should make a video how how i'm working atm
2015-04-22 09:47:13
Qantourisc
it's riduculas :p
2015-04-22 09:47:17
Qantourisc
bit like your connection speed
2015-04-22 09:47:56
TTN
I had both until I figured out about build type = release >:D
2015-04-22 09:48:00
TTN
I know your pain man
2015-04-22 09:48:12
Qantourisc
:p
2015-04-22 09:48:26
Qantourisc
maybe it's not REALLY compiled with O3 ?
2015-04-22 09:48:30
Qantourisc
Qantourisc double checks
2015-04-22 09:48:49
Qantourisc
Invalid solution from BFGS solver.
2015-04-22 09:48:54
Qantourisc
Invalid solution from DogLeg solver.
2015-04-22 09:49:03
Qantourisc
would that be bad ?
2015-04-22 09:51:01
TTN
probably? but the same file that lags with you is fine here.
2015-04-22 09:51:21
TTN
but probably not the problem.
2015-04-22 09:51:28
Qantourisc
yep it's running with O3
2015-04-22 09:51:51
Qantourisc
when shit hits the fan, check every corner
2015-04-22 09:54:26
TTN
whats the option for compile with 4 cores?
2015-04-22 09:54:36
Qantourisc
make -j <jobs>
2015-04-22 09:54:53
Qantourisc
normally they say cores*2+1 but this one uses quite some mem
2015-04-22 09:54:57
Qantourisc
so not a great idea
2015-04-22 09:55:27
TTN
I have 4gb free..
2015-04-22 09:55:35
TTN
will try it
2015-04-22 09:58:01
Qantourisc
any way to cleanup overlappping lines ?
2015-04-22 09:59:06
TTN
Qantourisc, put them into different sketches
2015-04-22 09:59:11
TTN
they shouldn't be overlapping
2015-04-22 09:59:20
Qantourisc
TTN: i mean lines, by accident ofcours
2015-04-22 09:59:55
TTN
like when it screws up and repositions half the sketch when they overlap?
2015-04-22 10:00:14
TTN
*like when it screws up and repositions half the sketch and then they overlap?
2015-04-22 10:00:58
Qantourisc
TTN: as in A B C, draw lines between A-B B-C A-C
2015-04-22 10:01:08
Qantourisc
put Horizontal contrain on lines
2015-04-22 10:01:14
Qantourisc
now line AC is dead weight
2015-04-22 10:01:21
Qantourisc
"both points are equl"
2015-04-22 10:03:20
TTN
try part design dropdown menu -> validate sketch
2015-04-22 10:03:22
Qantourisc
ok it list the note
2015-04-22 10:03:26
Qantourisc
tolate :p
2015-04-22 10:04:14
TTN
TTN could cook dinner on his cpu..
2015-04-22 10:05:13
Qantourisc
get a cpu fan :)
2015-04-22 10:05:40
Qantourisc
i wonder how effective a pot of water would be to cool :D
2015-04-22 10:05:53
Qantourisc
the new hype
2015-04-22 10:06:00
TTN
86C...
2015-04-22 10:06:00
Qantourisc
water-vapor-cooling :)
2015-04-22 10:06:07
Qantourisc
hehe
2015-04-22 10:06:14
Qantourisc
mine is only speced to 65°C
2015-04-22 10:06:20
TTN
nearly in water vapor cooling territory
2015-04-22 10:06:28
TTN
mine is specced to 105C
2015-04-22 10:06:29
Qantourisc
i'd have a piece of worthless sand by now :)
2015-04-22 10:06:36
TTN
does 96 sometimes
2015-04-22 10:06:45
TTN
laptop ^^
2015-04-22 10:06:52
Qantourisc
my laptop on idle ...
2015-04-22 10:06:55
Qantourisc
has no ... running fan
2015-04-22 10:07:07
Qantourisc
it's creepy :p
2015-04-22 10:07:11
TTN
nice.
2015-04-22 10:07:17
TTN
mine usually runs quietl
2015-04-22 10:07:18
Qantourisc
but when i compile ...
2015-04-22 10:07:19
TTN
y
2015-04-22 10:07:26
Qantourisc
the desk get HOT
2015-04-22 10:07:42
TTN
65 is not much
2015-04-22 10:07:55
TTN
thats when my fan kicks in good
2015-04-22 10:08:02
Qantourisc
well ... this cpu hasn't been replaced in ?7 years
2015-04-22 10:08:04
Qantourisc
it's still fine :)
2015-04-22 10:08:14
TTN
well heck cooler is better so eh
2015-04-22 10:08:35
Qantourisc
silicon really doesn't care that much (up to a point)
2015-04-22 10:08:36
TTN
fast for a 7 year old machine. faster than my 3.5 year machien
2015-04-22 10:08:40
Qantourisc
cpu's might
2015-04-22 10:09:03
Qantourisc
was top of line-ish back then
2015-04-22 10:09:30
Qantourisc
back in the days of netburst joke :)
2015-04-22 10:10:20
Qantourisc
Qantourisc is waiting inpatiencly on your cpu :p
2015-04-22 10:10:30
TTN
its coming..
2015-04-22 10:10:35
TTN
66%
2015-04-22 10:10:55
Qantourisc
hmmm more peaple have this isue (google)
2015-04-22 10:12:43
TTN
76%
2015-04-22 10:13:35
Qantourisc
forum says: don't use more then 80 constrains: use subsketches ....
2015-04-22 10:13:43
Qantourisc
pff
2015-04-22 10:13:51
TTN
240 and counting..
2015-04-22 10:14:01
Qantourisc
where ?
2015-04-22 10:14:22
TTN
on my sketch :P from a while back when it was lagging so bad
2015-04-22 10:14:35
TTN
well it became impossible at 140 constraints
2015-04-22 10:14:35
Qantourisc
and with o3 it was gone ?
2015-04-22 10:14:45
TTN
with built type = release it went
2015-04-22 10:15:47
Qantourisc
if i could just pauze the solver ...
2015-04-22 10:16:14
Qantourisc
would it help to try and delete constrains ?
2015-04-22 10:16:18
Qantourisc
that are optional ?
2015-04-22 10:16:28
Qantourisc
like if A and B are horizontal and vertical
2015-04-22 10:16:36
Qantourisc
no other option left for the rest
2015-04-22 10:17:35
TTN
thats a workaround.. ouch still
2015-04-22 10:18:18
Qantourisc
hmmm
2015-04-22 10:18:56
Qantourisc
ok no chaning contrains is slow
2015-04-22 10:19:12
TTN
93%...
2015-04-22 10:19:50
Qantourisc
18 degrees of freedom, no clue where :p
2015-04-22 10:20:33
Qantourisc
thank you a lot for doing this btw
2015-04-22 10:21:04
TTN
lol np. im just chilling :)
2015-04-22 10:21:36
TTN
99
2015-04-22 10:22:05
Qantourisc
what are missing "coincidence constrains" ?
2015-04-22 10:22:25
TTN
like when two lines are on the same point but aren't connected
2015-04-22 10:22:43
Qantourisc
have a few of those
2015-04-22 10:22:49
Qantourisc
Qantourisc engages jiggler
2015-04-22 10:22:55
TTN
turn on autoconstraints
2015-04-22 10:23:10
Qantourisc
yea like clicking a 2 pixel dot is eay
2015-04-22 10:23:42
TTN
yea :P
2015-04-22 10:24:18
TTN
ok its done.. lag testing..
2015-04-22 10:24:42
Qantourisc
\o/
2015-04-22 10:25:51
TTN
quickly making a poly line lags both
2015-04-22 10:25:54
TTN
versions.
2015-04-22 10:26:14
Qantourisc
so ?
2015-04-22 10:26:17
Qantourisc
is it slow or not ?
2015-04-22 10:26:26
TTN
no its faster.
2015-04-22 10:26:29
TTN
10ms
2015-04-22 10:26:30
Qantourisc
just select a bunch of lines and swap color
2015-04-22 10:26:49
Qantourisc
here it's like 1 per second
2015-04-22 10:26:49
TTN
vs around 16ms on my earlier version
2015-04-22 10:26:56
Qantourisc
that's fps
2015-04-22 10:27:23
TTN
fps.
2015-04-22 10:27:23
TTN
ouch
2015-04-22 10:27:28
TTN
could be your depenencies
2015-04-22 10:27:44
TTN
fps is 52
2015-04-22 10:27:49
Qantourisc
maybe...
2015-04-22 10:28:05
Qantourisc
don't care about fps
2015-04-22 10:28:05
Qantourisc
care about editing speed :p
2015-04-22 10:28:17
Qantourisc
i'd take down to 25 fps :p
2015-04-22 10:28:34
TTN
Qantourisc> here it's like 1 per second
2015-04-22 10:28:34
TTN
<Qantourisc> that's fps
2015-04-22 10:28:37
TTN
so 1 fps?
2015-04-22 10:29:13
Qantourisc
1 sketch-line-color change per second
2015-04-22 10:29:18
Qantourisc
maybe 2 per second
2015-04-22 10:29:19
TTN
I'd try get all the dependencies like on the compile page.
2015-04-22 10:29:55
TTN
old outdated dependencies?
2015-04-22 10:29:56
Qantourisc
let me check
2015-04-22 10:30:01
TTN
old distro mebe?
2015-04-22 10:32:22
TTN
Qantourisc, http://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=CompileOnUnix#Automatic_build_scripts
2015-04-22 10:32:38
TTN
^ theres a one liner for the dependencies
2015-04-22 10:32:50
Qantourisc
it's so shinny new, you'd be blinded
2015-04-22 10:32:51
Qantourisc
TTN: what opencascade version you running ?
2015-04-22 10:34:06
TTN
Qantourisc, 0.15-4
2015-04-22 10:34:47
Qantourisc
0.15 ?
2015-04-22 10:35:22
Qantourisc
that sounds like a version of freecad
2015-04-22 10:35:23
Qantourisc
or are you using ODE ?
2015-04-22 10:35:27
TTN
oce-draw. OpenCASCADE Community Edition CAE platform shared library
2015-04-22 10:35:35
TTN
not sure.
2015-04-22 10:36:21
Qantourisc
i'll try the offical 6.5
2015-04-22 10:36:21
Qantourisc
maybe that's better
2015-04-22 10:37:41
Qantourisc
Doing a make clean too, kust to be safe
2015-04-22 10:37:50
Qantourisc
maybe some debug version got stuck
2015-04-22 10:38:03
TTN
yea I did make clean first
2015-04-22 10:38:10
TTN
then type = release
2015-04-22 10:38:13
Qantourisc
i mean on my side
2015-04-22 10:38:28
TTN
could be the problem..
2015-04-22 10:45:50
Qantourisc
Discount 90% off
2015-04-22 10:46:05
Qantourisc
ow ... but we did rise the price by 900%
2015-04-22 10:46:11
Qantourisc
wankers :p
2015-04-22 10:46:23
TTN
hate it when compiling scripts that need root do things like wget over http
2015-04-22 10:46:24
TTN
like wtf.
2015-04-22 10:46:24
TTN
we know that shit gets intersepted and sometimes rootkit patched. why t f are we not using https
2015-04-22 10:46:41
TTN
petpeeve :P
2015-04-22 10:46:57
TTN
"upgrade" to https
2015-04-22 10:46:59
TTN
:P
2015-04-22 10:47:50
Qantourisc
TTN: compiling freecad ... take longer then earlier
2015-04-22 10:47:53
Qantourisc
hmm :p
2015-04-22 10:48:01
TTN
yussss
2015-04-22 10:48:05
TTN
that is good
2015-04-22 10:48:07
TTN
very good
2015-04-22 10:48:18
TTN
in fact, excellent
2015-04-22 10:48:20
Qantourisc
Where is my amd-zen :p
2015-04-22 10:48:38
Qantourisc
(well hoping it's not a dud)
2015-04-22 10:48:51
TTN
won't be :)
2015-04-22 10:49:06
TTN
not sure if I ran into the same thing a few months back.
2015-04-22 10:49:07
Qantourisc
i'm this: || close to buying intel :)
2015-04-22 10:49:10
TTN
I think I did.
2015-04-22 10:49:39
TTN
lol yea and I have intel
2015-04-22 10:49:44
Qantourisc
what won't be ?
2015-04-22 10:49:45
Qantourisc
a dud ?
2015-04-22 10:49:49
TTN
yep
2015-04-22 10:49:52
TTN
wont be a dud
2015-04-22 10:50:00
TTN
I think I had exactly the same thing happen to me
2015-04-22 10:50:12
TTN
about the compile time. few months ago so my memory is vague on it
2015-04-22 10:50:20
Qantourisc
Well they make an athlon
2015-04-22 10:50:27
Qantourisc
still don't understand why they didn't just trow the phenom on a smaller die :D
2015-04-22 10:50:51
Qantourisc
well "just" :p
2015-04-22 10:51:00
Qantourisc
quess they needed more transistors for more speed
2015-04-22 10:51:15
Qantourisc
now THAT's tricky to make: a cpu, then you get to make the die, costing tons :p
2015-04-22 10:51:19
Qantourisc
and it MIGHT work :p
2015-04-22 10:51:51
TTN
lol I knew a guy who did all his freecad design on his rpi.
2015-04-22 10:51:55
TTN
it was his main workmachine
2015-04-22 10:52:20
Qantourisc
The O's on my keyboard are not big enough for O.O
2015-04-22 10:52:40
TTN
yea well he was lets say an interesting character
2015-04-22 10:52:52
TTN
never met irl
2015-04-22 10:53:06
Qantourisc
GO pc :p
2015-04-22 10:53:58
Qantourisc
Then again, it should be save to put case in computer desk, going to be designed "forever" :p
2015-04-22 10:55:12
Qantourisc
mwea i'll do some work while wiating for compile
2015-04-22 11:04:22
TTN
Qantourisc, percentage?
2015-04-22 11:04:50
Qantourisc
80%
2015-04-22 11:04:57
Qantourisc
tons slower then earlier recompile
2015-04-22 11:05:12
TTN
good good :P
2015-04-22 11:05:16
TTN
faster than mine
2015-04-22 11:06:07
Qantourisc
Well i DID buy and AMD </fanboy>
2015-04-22 11:06:46
TTN
hehe yep.
2015-04-22 11:07:09
TTN
best speed for cost afaik
2015-04-22 11:08:30
Qantourisc
back then sure
2015-04-22 11:08:32
Qantourisc
now maybe
2015-04-22 11:08:39
Qantourisc
depends on the benchmark according to some
2015-04-22 11:20:56
Qantourisc
TTN: didn't fix
2015-04-22 11:21:11
TTN
\o/
2015-04-22 11:21:39
Qantourisc
TTN: you mean /O\
2015-04-22 11:23:23
TTN
well
2015-04-22 11:23:25
TTN
now what
2015-04-22 11:23:52
Qantourisc
recompiling opencascade system lib with O3 vs O2, but that won't do it
2015-04-22 11:23:59
Qantourisc
the next alternative is profiling ...
2015-04-22 11:24:33
Qantourisc
Should atleast tell me in what so / bin or external lib it's stuck in
2015-04-22 11:24:33
Qantourisc
after i debug my internet :p
2015-04-22 11:24:58
TTN
wow profiling. beyond my skillset
2015-04-22 11:25:04
TTN
I'd be curious what it is.
2015-04-22 11:25:12
TTN
do let me know if you figure it out
2015-04-22 11:35:53
Qantourisc
TTN: well it will take a while using valgrind
2015-04-22 11:36:08
Qantourisc
that's about 4 times as slow, or worse :p
2015-04-22 11:38:50
TTN
dayumn
2015-04-22 11:39:48
Qantourisc
make that 20 :p
2015-04-22 11:40:38
Qantourisc
TTN: even IN sketch mode it's slow
2015-04-22 11:40:56
Qantourisc
starting to think its not related to constrains
2015-04-22 11:42:58
Qantourisc
libz took a chink, but that's on save iirc
2015-04-22 11:48:32
Qantourisc
well that perf failed (forking issues probably) lets hope linux perf tool does better
2015-04-22 11:53:22
Qantourisc
TTN: for swapping color: spends most of it's time in Eigen Ful PivHoudeholder Matrix ID Lin compute or something
2015-04-22 11:53:44
TTN
Qantourisc, which will be computed by some dependency... ?
2015-04-22 11:53:52
TTN
which might be the problem?
2015-04-22 11:54:00
Qantourisc
not really
2015-04-22 11:54:11
Qantourisc
well
2015-04-22 11:54:21
Qantourisc
might be, but then it's linked in, and not dynamiocally
2015-04-22 11:54:37
Qantourisc
so "eigen" lib is the issue
2015-04-22 11:55:03
Qantourisc
TTN: what eigen do you have installed ?
2015-04-22 11:55:23
TTN
btw I'm gonna head off soon..
2015-04-22 11:55:40
TTN
libeigen3-dev
2015-04-22 11:55:50
TTN
version 3.2.0-8
2015-04-22 11:56:24
Qantourisc
3.1.3 here, lets toss in 3.24
2015-04-22 11:57:37
Qantourisc
TTN: hmmm
2015-04-22 11:57:41
Qantourisc
TTN: what window manager ?
2015-04-22 11:57:58
TTN
compiz
2015-04-22 11:58:08
TTN
running a pretty standard ubuntu 14.04
2015-04-22 11:59:41
Qantourisc
TTN: ok not it either, could be my weird window manager was tripping it up, generating tons of redraw requests :p
2015-04-22 11:59:55
Qantourisc
going to eat now
2015-04-22 11:59:59
TTN
what window manager do you run?
2015-04-22 12:00:01
TTN
distro?
2015-04-22 12:00:04
TTN
ok
2015-04-22 12:10:51
Qantourisc
TTN: xmonad, gentoo
2015-04-22 12:22:06
Qantourisc
Lets hope i don't need a clean to fix :p
2015-04-22 12:23:24
Qantourisc
ow intall failezd
2015-04-22 12:25:01
TTN
Qantourisc, what failed?
2015-04-22 12:25:58
Qantourisc
compilation of eigen
2015-04-22 12:32:42
TTN
uh oh.
2015-04-22 12:41:02
Qantourisc
TTN: was in make test, so it's kinda ok
2015-04-22 12:41:14
Qantourisc
(but not really :D)
2015-04-22 12:47:10
Qantourisc
TTN: nope, will need to rerun profile
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