#freecad Log v0.1

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2015-04-21 22:13:41
Qantourisc
6 degrees freedom left
2015-04-21 22:13:45
Qantourisc
can't find a single one :/
2015-04-21 22:14:55
Qantourisc
they should add a "jiggle" functionality
2015-04-21 22:15:06
Qantourisc
so you can shake the model and see what is not connected
2015-04-21 22:46:21
rockn
Qantourisc: http://freecadweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Macro_Shake_Sketch
2015-04-21 22:46:37
Qantourisc
<3
2015-04-21 22:46:50
rockn
;)
2015-04-21 22:46:57
Qantourisc
rockn: where do i drop this baby ?
2015-04-21 22:47:23
Qantourisc
nvm
2015-04-21 22:47:24
Qantourisc
gui says
2015-04-21 22:48:27
Qantourisc
bit agressive :p
2015-04-21 22:48:32
rockn
Qantourisc: http://freecadweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Macros
2015-04-21 22:48:52
Qantourisc
cvar on top :p
2015-04-21 22:49:00
rockn
Sorry I m going to sleep, can't explain much
2015-04-21 22:49:08
Qantourisc
rockn: still not sure if it's a good or bad idea to make a pc case :)
2015-04-21 22:49:16
Qantourisc
rockn: np, you helped more then enough
2015-04-22 00:04:22
linuxgecko
http://pastebin.com/0L2hCAfc
2015-04-22 00:04:41
linuxgecko
can someone recommend a way around this?
2015-04-22 00:06:16
linuxgecko
http://pastebin.com/gHMAhsM2
2015-04-22 00:08:01
linuxgecko
arobinson: hey there:) might you be able to help with my compiling issue?
2015-04-22 00:08:53
linuxgecko
i know what the problem is, but i don't know the best solution
2015-04-22 00:09:54
linuxgecko
well, the temporary best solution. the best solution is to fix the cmake criteria in the master to not be so assumptive.
2015-04-22 00:27:38
linuxgecko
i have multiple python installations, but 3.3.5 is my active one..
2015-04-22 02:40:20
Moult
anyone here know how to use finite element analysis software? (ideally calculix, but abaqus or just knowing principles would be good enough)
2015-04-22 03:08:25
topcyde
what are you trying to do?
2015-04-22 03:25:33
TTN
Moult, what software are you using?
2015-04-22 05:43:41
Qantourisc
dang missed linuxgecko yesterday :/
2015-04-22 05:43:54
Qantourisc
PS anyone knows what a good/ok price is for laser cutting ?
2015-04-22 08:06:19
Qantourisc
Can one disable/freeze the solver ?
2015-04-22 08:06:30
Qantourisc
it's making complex editing a pita because of slowdowns
2015-04-22 08:07:57
Qantourisc
also how to itterupt it when it's trying to find a solution for something that isn't there ? (faulty constrains)
2015-04-22 08:24:06
TTN
Qantourisc, you compiling yourself?
2015-04-22 08:24:31
Qantourisc
TTN: wel yes was just looking at those, looks like it's only compiled with -O3
2015-04-22 08:24:37
Qantourisc
adding march would help maybe a bit
2015-04-22 08:24:54
TTN
Qantourisc, use the option -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release .
2015-04-22 08:24:56
Qantourisc
but cmake is such a pita to find where to add this carp:/
2015-04-22 08:24:58
TTN
instead of debug
2015-04-22 08:25:03
TTN
it makes it a TON faster
2015-04-22 08:25:03
Qantourisc
on release
2015-04-22 08:25:07
TTN
oh right
2015-04-22 08:25:30
Qantourisc
not fast enough
2015-04-22 08:25:36
TTN
old hardware?
2015-04-22 08:25:39
Qantourisc
~1 second to turn a white line into blue
2015-04-22 08:25:45
TTN
ouch
2015-04-22 08:25:49
Qantourisc
AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor
2015-04-22 08:26:27
TTN
nice. faster than my machine on the benchmark chart
2015-04-22 08:26:41
Qantourisc
still waiting on AMD-Zen :p
2015-04-22 08:27:06
TTN
well thats odd. I'm not getting slowdowns like that.
2015-04-22 08:27:22
Qantourisc
TTN: simple contrainss: fly
2015-04-22 08:27:30
Qantourisc
any sort of grid-like behaviour
2015-04-22 08:27:32
Qantourisc
bang
2015-04-22 08:27:50
Qantourisc
Still not sure if I should continue this project
2015-04-22 08:28:02
TTN
what are you making?
2015-04-22 08:28:08
Qantourisc
computer case :p
2015-04-22 08:28:19
TTN
ah that's you :)
2015-04-22 08:28:25
TTN
you were talking about it earlier
2015-04-22 08:28:31
Qantourisc
yep :p
2015-04-22 08:28:41
TTN
I mainly use it for 3d printing
2015-04-22 08:28:53
Qantourisc
Well, i'd have to get it CNC'd or lasered
2015-04-22 08:29:01
Qantourisc
~75€ i think it would cost
2015-04-22 08:29:06
TTN
not bad
2015-04-22 08:29:07
Qantourisc
or cut by hand :p
2015-04-22 08:29:12
Qantourisc
estimated
2015-04-22 08:29:32
Qantourisc
50€ for "setup cost" seems to be the price from earlier stuff i got a quote on (but never got trough)
2015-04-22 08:29:47
Qantourisc
so with the amount of time this will need on the bench at 25€ :D
2015-04-22 08:29:52
TTN
got a screenshot of the constraints that are lagging it? or even a copy of the .FCStd and I can load it up and see if it lags if you want..
2015-04-22 08:29:59
Qantourisc
but it will be also 75€ on metal i think :D
2015-04-22 08:30:17
Qantourisc
TTN: sure, meanwhile you happen to know how to add custom compile flags to gcc ?
2015-04-22 08:30:42
Qantourisc
aa could crap it cmakelit
2015-04-22 08:30:44
TTN
Qantourisc, nope. I'd have to dig in and hack around too :P
2015-04-22 08:33:13
Qantourisc
TTN: every mistake i make is 50€ assuming i can't fix it by hand
2015-04-22 08:34:09
TTN
Qantourisc, could cut n fit everything on cardboard first.
2015-04-22 08:34:23
TTN
glue some printout paper to it..
2015-04-22 08:34:35
Qantourisc
yea was thinking about that tooo
2015-04-22 08:34:59
Qantourisc
I hate cmake
2015-04-22 08:35:21
TTN
what version of freecad?
2015-04-22 08:35:27
Qantourisc
git
2015-04-22 08:35:29
Qantourisc
master
2015-04-22 08:36:03
TTN
same. somewhat outdated.. a month or two maybe
2015-04-22 08:39:31
Qantourisc
"Manually-specified variables were not used by the project:" "MAKE_CXX_FLAGS"
2015-04-22 08:39:40
Qantourisc
welll ... quess those are not the right oines then
2015-04-22 08:40:15
Qantourisc
DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS works
2015-04-22 08:41:08
Qantourisc
rebuilding and getting some foood
2015-04-22 08:41:39
TTN
compile on all the cores!
2015-04-22 08:41:59
TTN
lol I was compiling on one core at first. 40 minutes :P
2015-04-22 08:42:42
Qantourisc
:p
2015-04-22 08:43:03
Qantourisc
TTN: i fear the chasis i design will be flimsy
2015-04-22 08:43:23
Qantourisc
also i'm missing the "bend part" feature
2015-04-22 08:45:41
TTN
not sure what that feature is but ok
2015-04-22 08:46:02
Qantourisc
euu sec
2015-04-22 08:46:40
Qantourisc
TTN: putting a piece between a brake
2015-04-22 08:46:48
Qantourisc
and bending it
2015-04-22 08:47:28
Qantourisc
http://headoffice.dyn.megasoft.be:8080/tmp/ComputerCaseDesign1b.fcstd
2015-04-22 08:51:04
TTN
how did you get those folder ins the design?
2015-04-22 08:51:22
Qantourisc
TTN: folders ? you mean groups ?
2015-04-22 08:51:32
Qantourisc
rightclick add group ?
2015-04-22 08:52:10
TTN
oh on the project name at the top of the tree
2015-04-22 08:52:27
TTN
lol. using it for over a year and didn't figure that out.
2015-04-22 08:52:35
TTN
that will be very helpful for me
2015-04-22 08:52:58
Qantourisc
I miss a proper hirachy of operations :
2015-04-22 08:52:58
Qantourisc
:
2015-04-22 08:52:59
Qantourisc
:/
2015-04-22 08:54:20
Qantourisc
it's so slow i can create racing conditions :D
2015-04-22 08:54:30
TTN
what are you editing?
2015-04-22 08:54:49
Qantourisc
the unextruded sketch
2015-04-22 08:54:50
TTN
rather, which sketch?
2015-04-22 08:54:55
Qantourisc
Case backplate
2015-04-22 08:54:59
Qantourisc
thinking of it
2015-04-22 08:55:01
Qantourisc
it's to big
2015-04-22 08:55:10
Qantourisc
unless i'm ok with having a L sticking out the back
2015-04-22 08:56:03
TTN
its not slow for me.
2015-04-22 08:56:06
TTN
its fine
2015-04-22 08:56:17
Qantourisc
WTF ?
2015-04-22 08:56:40
Qantourisc
what fps do ou get ?
2015-04-22 08:56:43
TTN
theres a really slow delay between drawing a many part polyline and turning it into a blue line but its minor
2015-04-22 08:57:12
TTN
72fps
2015-04-22 08:57:26
TTN
60 - 90 ish
2015-04-22 08:57:33
Qantourisc
i get ~400ms ? to turn a line color ?
2015-04-22 08:57:52
Qantourisc
TTN: 28fps
2015-04-22 08:57:55
TTN
13.5ms
2015-04-22 08:58:00
Qantourisc
might it be running on not GPU ?
2015-04-22 08:58:30
TTN
intel i5 second gen, 3300 points on the benchmark (yours is over 4000).. intel intergrated gpu. hd4000 on linux x64
2015-04-22 08:58:47
TTN
no idea. maybe.
2015-04-22 08:59:09
Qantourisc
looks like a bloody gif animation on my pc
2015-04-22 08:59:24
Qantourisc
lets do some debuggin :/
2015-04-22 08:59:24
TTN
what os?
2015-04-22 08:59:34
Qantourisc
Linux
2015-04-22 08:59:38
TTN
ok
2015-04-22 08:59:43
Qantourisc
hmmm i am pushing my memory limit atm though
2015-04-22 08:59:51
TTN
how much?
2015-04-22 09:00:10
Qantourisc
3000GB free
2015-04-22 09:00:11
Qantourisc
nvm
2015-04-22 09:00:15
Qantourisc
i mean 3
2015-04-22 09:00:28
TTN
should be plenty.
2015-04-22 09:00:31
TTN
plenty
2015-04-22 09:01:01
Qantourisc
ok it's not undo history
2015-04-22 09:01:43
Qantourisc
TTN: is Anti-Alaising on or off ?
2015-04-22 09:02:06
TTN
Qantourisc, off.
2015-04-22 09:02:16
TTN
I've set it to msaa x8
2015-04-22 09:02:36
Qantourisc
any difference ?
2015-04-22 09:02:37
TTN
pretty much the same response times and fps
2015-04-22 09:02:45
TTN
14.5ms
2015-04-22 09:02:51
TTN
79fps
2015-04-22 09:03:15
TTN
I suspect its the version of freecad
2015-04-22 09:03:19
TTN
sometimes things break.
2015-04-22 09:03:29
Qantourisc
TTN: ok euu
2015-04-22 09:03:32
TTN
I had a release that would segfault on using keyboard shortcuts
2015-04-22 09:03:32
Qantourisc
git ... euu ... ?
2015-04-22 09:03:40
Qantourisc
i don't know jist
2015-04-22 09:03:45
Qantourisc
what euu rev are you on ?
2015-04-22 09:03:50
TTN
euu?
2015-04-22 09:04:40
Qantourisc
exactly :)
2015-04-22 09:04:46
TTN
right.
2015-04-22 09:05:36
TTN
whats the command to check again?
2015-04-22 09:05:56
Qantourisc
TTN: check what ?
2015-04-22 09:05:59
TTN
ah.
2015-04-22 09:06:01
TTN
git rev-parse HEAD
2015-04-22 09:06:11
Qantourisc
well ... yea i think that's it not sure :p
2015-04-22 09:06:14
Qantourisc
what's your ?
2015-04-22 09:06:23
TTN
mine is c9e896c669ed74a62a08d12e16810cf4e18f9319
2015-04-22 09:07:56
Qantourisc
hmmm need to pull that first it seems
2015-04-22 09:08:45
TTN
To revert to a commit that's older than the most recent commit:
2015-04-22 09:08:45
TTN
# Resets index to former commit; replace '56e05fced' with your commit code
2015-04-22 09:08:45
TTN
git reset 56e05fced
2015-04-22 09:09:03
TTN
^ stackoverflow.com :)
2015-04-22 09:09:30
Qantourisc
well that index is a lot shorter then yours :p
2015-04-22 09:11:16
TTN
yea. Normally they're long like that.
2015-04-22 09:11:59
Qantourisc
a ok it's reset
2015-04-22 09:12:04
Qantourisc
but might not have the local datal
2015-04-22 09:12:52
TTN
ah or the checkout command
2015-04-22 09:13:00
TTN
git checkout <commit>
2015-04-22 09:13:08
Qantourisc
i checkied it out from my package-manager :p
2015-04-22 09:13:19
TTN
^ that should work
2015-04-22 09:13:23
Qantourisc
nope
2015-04-22 09:13:26
Qantourisc
it only has master
2015-04-22 09:13:30
Qantourisc
and it's a file://
2015-04-22 09:14:05
TTN
there's been a bajillion commits so I'll update to the lastest
2015-04-22 09:14:15
TTN
see how that goes
2015-04-22 09:14:34
Qantourisc
:p
2015-04-22 09:14:38
Qantourisc
meanwhile i'll try going down
2015-04-22 09:14:51
Qantourisc
fatal: Couldn't find remote ref c9e896c669ed74a62a08d12e16810cf4e18f931
2015-04-22 09:15:01
Qantourisc
whatever your on, it's not on github :/
2015-04-22 09:15:26
TTN
git clone git://git.code.sf.net/p/free-cad/code
2015-04-22 09:15:30
TTN
same one?
2015-04-22 09:15:38
Qantourisc
TTN: ps what would you do ? go for making the case or not ? :p
2015-04-22 09:15:48
Qantourisc
TTN: i'm on the github one
2015-04-22 09:15:55
Qantourisc
let me try that one
2015-04-22 09:16:09
TTN
lol I have slow internet so it takes ages to fetch stuffs
2015-04-22 09:16:19
Qantourisc
TTN: looks like it's your own private rev :)
2015-04-22 09:16:25
Qantourisc
not on SF either
2015-04-22 09:16:40
TTN
ah.
2015-04-22 09:17:04
TTN
I'm running off the one linked to on the wiki compile page: http://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=CompileOnUnix#Compile_FreeCAD
2015-04-22 09:17:11
TTN
but I'll try the later one
2015-04-22 09:17:27
TTN
this one? https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD_sf_master
2015-04-22 09:18:16
Qantourisc
https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD_sf_master
2015-04-22 09:18:19
Qantourisc
yea
2015-04-22 09:18:32
TTN
I don't know. personally I'd probably go snatch a cheap second case from ebay or so :P #studentlife
2015-04-22 09:18:47
Qantourisc
TTN: well, this one is too small :p
2015-04-22 09:18:56
Qantourisc
i'd need one with psu at the bottem
2015-04-22 09:18:58
Qantourisc
at least
2015-04-22 09:19:06
Qantourisc
also i'd be a dam blessing to get one with dust fitlers
2015-04-22 09:19:17
Qantourisc
carrying the dam thing down to unclean is a hazard
2015-04-22 09:19:45
Qantourisc
crap stuck in zoom mode again !!!
2015-04-22 09:19:51
TTN
I know someone who has a thermaltake case. had filters. very nice. paid 150usd.
2015-04-22 09:20:06
TTN
probably cheaper out your way.
2015-04-22 09:20:17
Qantourisc
hehe :)
2015-04-22 09:20:31
Qantourisc
well would be roughly the same by my estimate atm :p
2015-04-22 09:21:47
TTN
lol retailer knows how to mark ups stuffs
2015-04-22 09:21:58
Qantourisc
?
2015-04-22 09:21:59
TTN
90usd on newegg
2015-04-22 09:22:04
TTN
same case as he has
2015-04-22 09:22:50
TTN
tbh I'd buy a case.. but why not build one? would be cool. If you have the time why not
2015-04-22 09:23:08
Qantourisc
well for starters
2015-04-22 09:23:11
Qantourisc
freecad is slow :)
2015-04-22 09:23:25
TTN
LOL yea
2015-04-22 09:24:58
Qantourisc
but kinda want to do something in laser once, to have another tool i can use when i need it
2015-04-22 09:25:45
Qantourisc
hmm idea
2015-04-22 09:26:15
Qantourisc
ok not a bug with multiscreen either
2015-04-22 09:26:38
Qantourisc
ok it's related to cpu
2015-04-22 09:26:50
Qantourisc
but i couldn't possibly be doing a profile :/
2015-04-22 09:27:30
TTN
how you know its the cpu?
2015-04-22 09:27:36
TTN
I'd look at plywood. I like wood..
2015-04-22 09:27:44
TTN
google images time.. custom pc case..
2015-04-22 09:27:49
Qantourisc
wel i mean cpu constrained
2015-04-22 09:28:03
Qantourisc
TTN: plywood implies manual cutting :D
2015-04-22 09:28:19
TTN
no : 3 you got a laser right?
2015-04-22 09:28:32
Qantourisc
if i had a laser there would be "no" problem :p
2015-04-22 09:28:41
Qantourisc
i don't have a laser
2015-04-22 09:28:46
TTN
eh. ok. I thought you had one
2015-04-22 09:29:40
Qantourisc
if i had the money to buy a laser that can cut sheet metal ... i'd be less worried about the cost of the computer case :D
2015-04-22 09:30:07
TTN
want to save some money?
2015-04-22 09:30:18
Qantourisc
not sure :p
2015-04-22 09:30:28
Qantourisc
assuming it will last a lifetime ...
2015-04-22 09:30:41
TTN
haha ok so cardboard box is out then :D:D
2015-04-22 09:30:45
TTN
xD
2015-04-22 09:30:53
Qantourisc
cardboard would collapse :p
2015-04-22 09:30:53
TTN
;)
2015-04-22 09:32:05
Qantourisc
TTN: on new version ?
2015-04-22 09:32:14
TTN
still downloading
2015-04-22 09:32:20
Qantourisc
this slowdown is getting fustrating :p
2015-04-22 09:32:35
Qantourisc
I should be working on my paid projects though :)
2015-04-22 09:33:27
Qantourisc
TTN: to put the cost in pespective, i'll be speding 10 times more on bread in the next 10 years :)
2015-04-22 09:34:03
TTN
Qantourisc, do it well, do it once right?
2015-04-22 09:34:12
Qantourisc
yep :p
2015-04-22 09:34:31
TTN
my trouble is I get impatient.
2015-04-22 09:34:47
Qantourisc
TTN: i know how to grind :p
2015-04-22 09:37:04
TTN
lol someone made a case out of lego another has his pc in a heineken crate
2015-04-22 09:37:15
Qantourisc
:)
2015-04-22 09:37:22
Qantourisc
i'd consider lego before wood btw :p
2015-04-22 09:37:42
Qantourisc
problem is lining the dam wood or lego with alluminium foil
2015-04-22 09:37:56
bleader
I didn't follow the whole chat, but I personnaly used a wood board with a few screws to hold the motherboard for a while :D
2015-04-22 09:38:02
TTN
thats required?
2015-04-22 09:38:04
bleader
and a drawer at some point
2015-04-22 09:38:13
TTN
LOL nice
2015-04-22 09:38:15
Qantourisc
TTN: recommended, not required
2015-04-22 09:38:36
Qantourisc
bleader: drawer sounds nice :p
2015-04-22 09:38:45
Qantourisc
bleader: still have to attach it to my desk somehow
2015-04-22 09:38:49
Qantourisc
wich i still have to make :p
2015-04-22 09:38:54
TTN
+1 drawer
2015-04-22 09:39:15
Qantourisc
but not sure if i should risk moddling the case to the desk ....
2015-04-22 09:39:42
Qantourisc
Iwant copy paste in sketcher :p
2015-04-22 09:39:49
TTN
mount everything onto a board, which goes into the drawer
2015-04-22 09:40:09
bleader
oh yeah, not being able copy/paste in sketcher is confusing at first :p
2015-04-22 09:40:17
TTN
Receiving objects: 33% (18187/53545), 130.32 MiB | 263.00 KiB/s <- such speed
2015-04-22 09:40:24
Qantourisc
bleader: confusing how ?
2015-04-22 09:40:32
Qantourisc
TTN: you on fax ? :p
2015-04-22 09:40:45
bleader
like I didn't understand why it was not available :p
2015-04-22 09:40:52
TTN
lol thats my max speed. welcome to new zealand xD
2015-04-22 09:41:03
Qantourisc
TTN: not every drawer is big enough
2015-04-22 09:41:05
Qantourisc
most are not
2015-04-22 09:41:13
Qantourisc
also a few complications with that :p
2015-04-22 09:41:28
Qantourisc
Suppose I could make it "top-hook-mounted"
2015-04-22 09:41:33
Qantourisc
that would work in most desks
2015-04-22 09:42:05
Qantourisc
But mouting and dismounting can be a pita, standing is better
2015-04-22 09:43:59
Qantourisc
i can draw a ton of lines ... that apear on the screen ... later
2015-04-22 09:44:13
Qantourisc
this would be funny if it wasn' this sad
2015-04-22 09:46:03
Qantourisc
atleast i can queue commands :p
2015-04-22 09:46:51
TTN
some cool lego cases out there :)
2015-04-22 09:47:08
Qantourisc
TTN: i should make a video how how i'm working atm
2015-04-22 09:47:13
Qantourisc
it's riduculas :p
2015-04-22 09:47:17
Qantourisc
bit like your connection speed
2015-04-22 09:47:56
TTN
I had both until I figured out about build type = release >:D
2015-04-22 09:48:00
TTN
I know your pain man
2015-04-22 09:48:12
Qantourisc
:p
2015-04-22 09:48:26
Qantourisc
maybe it's not REALLY compiled with O3 ?
2015-04-22 09:48:30
Qantourisc
Qantourisc double checks
2015-04-22 09:48:49
Qantourisc
Invalid solution from BFGS solver.
2015-04-22 09:48:54
Qantourisc
Invalid solution from DogLeg solver.
2015-04-22 09:49:03
Qantourisc
would that be bad ?
2015-04-22 09:51:01
TTN
probably? but the same file that lags with you is fine here.
2015-04-22 09:51:21
TTN
but probably not the problem.
2015-04-22 09:51:28
Qantourisc
yep it's running with O3
2015-04-22 09:51:51
Qantourisc
when shit hits the fan, check every corner
2015-04-22 09:54:26
TTN
whats the option for compile with 4 cores?
2015-04-22 09:54:36
Qantourisc
make -j <jobs>
2015-04-22 09:54:53
Qantourisc
normally they say cores*2+1 but this one uses quite some mem
2015-04-22 09:54:57
Qantourisc
so not a great idea
2015-04-22 09:55:27
TTN
I have 4gb free..
2015-04-22 09:55:35
TTN
will try it
2015-04-22 09:58:01
Qantourisc
any way to cleanup overlappping lines ?
2015-04-22 09:59:06
TTN
Qantourisc, put them into different sketches
2015-04-22 09:59:11
TTN
they shouldn't be overlapping
2015-04-22 09:59:20
Qantourisc
TTN: i mean lines, by accident ofcours
2015-04-22 09:59:55
TTN
like when it screws up and repositions half the sketch when they overlap?
2015-04-22 10:00:14
TTN
*like when it screws up and repositions half the sketch and then they overlap?
2015-04-22 10:00:58
Qantourisc
TTN: as in A B C, draw lines between A-B B-C A-C
2015-04-22 10:01:08
Qantourisc
put Horizontal contrain on lines
2015-04-22 10:01:14
Qantourisc
now line AC is dead weight
2015-04-22 10:01:21
Qantourisc
"both points are equl"
2015-04-22 10:03:20
TTN
try part design dropdown menu -> validate sketch
2015-04-22 10:03:22
Qantourisc
ok it list the note
2015-04-22 10:03:26
Qantourisc
tolate :p
2015-04-22 10:04:14
TTN
TTN could cook dinner on his cpu..
2015-04-22 10:05:13
Qantourisc
get a cpu fan :)
2015-04-22 10:05:40
Qantourisc
i wonder how effective a pot of water would be to cool :D
2015-04-22 10:05:53
Qantourisc
the new hype
2015-04-22 10:06:00
TTN
86C...
2015-04-22 10:06:00
Qantourisc
water-vapor-cooling :)
2015-04-22 10:06:07
Qantourisc
hehe
2015-04-22 10:06:14
Qantourisc
mine is only speced to 65°C
2015-04-22 10:06:20
TTN
nearly in water vapor cooling territory
2015-04-22 10:06:28
TTN
mine is specced to 105C
2015-04-22 10:06:29
Qantourisc
i'd have a piece of worthless sand by now :)
2015-04-22 10:06:36
TTN
does 96 sometimes
2015-04-22 10:06:45
TTN
laptop ^^
2015-04-22 10:06:52
Qantourisc
my laptop on idle ...
2015-04-22 10:06:55
Qantourisc
has no ... running fan
2015-04-22 10:07:07
Qantourisc
it's creepy :p
2015-04-22 10:07:11
TTN
nice.
2015-04-22 10:07:17
TTN
mine usually runs quietl
2015-04-22 10:07:18
Qantourisc
but when i compile ...
2015-04-22 10:07:19
TTN
y
2015-04-22 10:07:26
Qantourisc
the desk get HOT
2015-04-22 10:07:42
TTN
65 is not much
2015-04-22 10:07:55
TTN
thats when my fan kicks in good
2015-04-22 10:08:02
Qantourisc
well ... this cpu hasn't been replaced in ?7 years
2015-04-22 10:08:04
Qantourisc
it's still fine :)
2015-04-22 10:08:14
TTN
well heck cooler is better so eh
2015-04-22 10:08:35
Qantourisc
silicon really doesn't care that much (up to a point)
2015-04-22 10:08:36
TTN
fast for a 7 year old machine. faster than my 3.5 year machien
2015-04-22 10:08:40
Qantourisc
cpu's might
2015-04-22 10:09:03
Qantourisc
was top of line-ish back then
2015-04-22 10:09:30
Qantourisc
back in the days of netburst joke :)
2015-04-22 10:10:20
Qantourisc
Qantourisc is waiting inpatiencly on your cpu :p
2015-04-22 10:10:30
TTN
its coming..
2015-04-22 10:10:35
TTN
66%
2015-04-22 10:10:55
Qantourisc
hmmm more peaple have this isue (google)
2015-04-22 10:12:43
TTN
76%
2015-04-22 10:13:35
Qantourisc
forum says: don't use more then 80 constrains: use subsketches ....
2015-04-22 10:13:43
Qantourisc
pff
2015-04-22 10:13:51
TTN
240 and counting..
2015-04-22 10:14:01
Qantourisc
where ?
2015-04-22 10:14:22
TTN
on my sketch :P from a while back when it was lagging so bad
2015-04-22 10:14:35
TTN
well it became impossible at 140 constraints
2015-04-22 10:14:35
Qantourisc
and with o3 it was gone ?
2015-04-22 10:14:45
TTN
with built type = release it went
2015-04-22 10:15:47
Qantourisc
if i could just pauze the solver ...
2015-04-22 10:16:14
Qantourisc
would it help to try and delete constrains ?
2015-04-22 10:16:18
Qantourisc
that are optional ?
2015-04-22 10:16:28
Qantourisc
like if A and B are horizontal and vertical
2015-04-22 10:16:36
Qantourisc
no other option left for the rest
2015-04-22 10:17:35
TTN
thats a workaround.. ouch still
2015-04-22 10:18:18
Qantourisc
hmmm
2015-04-22 10:18:56
Qantourisc
ok no chaning contrains is slow
2015-04-22 10:19:12
TTN
93%...
2015-04-22 10:19:50
Qantourisc
18 degrees of freedom, no clue where :p
2015-04-22 10:20:33
Qantourisc
thank you a lot for doing this btw
2015-04-22 10:21:04
TTN
lol np. im just chilling :)
2015-04-22 10:21:36
TTN
99
2015-04-22 10:22:05
Qantourisc
what are missing "coincidence constrains" ?
2015-04-22 10:22:25
TTN
like when two lines are on the same point but aren't connected
2015-04-22 10:22:43
Qantourisc
have a few of those
2015-04-22 10:22:49
Qantourisc
Qantourisc engages jiggler
2015-04-22 10:22:55
TTN
turn on autoconstraints
2015-04-22 10:23:10
Qantourisc
yea like clicking a 2 pixel dot is eay
2015-04-22 10:23:42
TTN
yea :P
2015-04-22 10:24:18
TTN
ok its done.. lag testing..
2015-04-22 10:24:42
Qantourisc
\o/
2015-04-22 10:25:51
TTN
quickly making a poly line lags both
2015-04-22 10:25:54
TTN
versions.
2015-04-22 10:26:14
Qantourisc
so ?
2015-04-22 10:26:17
Qantourisc
is it slow or not ?
2015-04-22 10:26:26
TTN
no its faster.
2015-04-22 10:26:29
TTN
10ms
2015-04-22 10:26:30
Qantourisc
just select a bunch of lines and swap color
2015-04-22 10:26:49
Qantourisc
here it's like 1 per second
2015-04-22 10:26:49
TTN
vs around 16ms on my earlier version
2015-04-22 10:26:56
Qantourisc
that's fps
2015-04-22 10:27:23
TTN
fps.
2015-04-22 10:27:23
TTN
ouch
2015-04-22 10:27:28
TTN
could be your depenencies
2015-04-22 10:27:44
TTN
fps is 52
2015-04-22 10:27:49
Qantourisc
maybe...
2015-04-22 10:28:05
Qantourisc
don't care about fps
2015-04-22 10:28:05
Qantourisc
care about editing speed :p
2015-04-22 10:28:17
Qantourisc
i'd take down to 25 fps :p
2015-04-22 10:28:34
TTN
Qantourisc> here it's like 1 per second
2015-04-22 10:28:34
TTN
<Qantourisc> that's fps
2015-04-22 10:28:37
TTN
so 1 fps?
2015-04-22 10:29:13
Qantourisc
1 sketch-line-color change per second
2015-04-22 10:29:18
Qantourisc
maybe 2 per second
2015-04-22 10:29:19
TTN
I'd try get all the dependencies like on the compile page.
2015-04-22 10:29:55
TTN
old outdated dependencies?
2015-04-22 10:29:56
Qantourisc
let me check
2015-04-22 10:30:01
TTN
old distro mebe?
2015-04-22 10:32:22
TTN
Qantourisc, http://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=CompileOnUnix#Automatic_build_scripts
2015-04-22 10:32:38
TTN
^ theres a one liner for the dependencies
2015-04-22 10:32:50
Qantourisc
it's so shinny new, you'd be blinded
2015-04-22 10:32:51
Qantourisc
TTN: what opencascade version you running ?
2015-04-22 10:34:06
TTN
Qantourisc, 0.15-4
2015-04-22 10:34:47
Qantourisc
0.15 ?
2015-04-22 10:35:22
Qantourisc
that sounds like a version of freecad
2015-04-22 10:35:23
Qantourisc
or are you using ODE ?
2015-04-22 10:35:27
TTN
oce-draw. OpenCASCADE Community Edition CAE platform shared library
2015-04-22 10:35:35
TTN
not sure.
2015-04-22 10:36:21
Qantourisc
i'll try the offical 6.5
2015-04-22 10:36:21
Qantourisc
maybe that's better
2015-04-22 10:37:41
Qantourisc
Doing a make clean too, kust to be safe
2015-04-22 10:37:50
Qantourisc
maybe some debug version got stuck
2015-04-22 10:38:03
TTN
yea I did make clean first
2015-04-22 10:38:10
TTN
then type = release
2015-04-22 10:38:13
Qantourisc
i mean on my side
2015-04-22 10:38:28
TTN
could be the problem..
2015-04-22 10:45:50
Qantourisc
Discount 90% off
2015-04-22 10:46:05
Qantourisc
ow ... but we did rise the price by 900%
2015-04-22 10:46:11
Qantourisc
wankers :p
2015-04-22 10:46:23
TTN
hate it when compiling scripts that need root do things like wget over http
2015-04-22 10:46:24
TTN
like wtf.
2015-04-22 10:46:24
TTN
we know that shit gets intersepted and sometimes rootkit patched. why t f are we not using https
2015-04-22 10:46:41
TTN
petpeeve :P
2015-04-22 10:46:57
TTN
"upgrade" to https
2015-04-22 10:46:59
TTN
:P
2015-04-22 10:47:50
Qantourisc
TTN: compiling freecad ... take longer then earlier
2015-04-22 10:47:53
Qantourisc
hmm :p
2015-04-22 10:48:01
TTN
yussss
2015-04-22 10:48:05
TTN
that is good
2015-04-22 10:48:07
TTN
very good
2015-04-22 10:48:18
TTN
in fact, excellent
2015-04-22 10:48:20
Qantourisc
Where is my amd-zen :p
2015-04-22 10:48:38
Qantourisc
(well hoping it's not a dud)
2015-04-22 10:48:51
TTN
won't be :)
2015-04-22 10:49:06
TTN
not sure if I ran into the same thing a few months back.
2015-04-22 10:49:07
Qantourisc
i'm this: || close to buying intel :)
2015-04-22 10:49:10
TTN
I think I did.
2015-04-22 10:49:39
TTN
lol yea and I have intel
2015-04-22 10:49:44
Qantourisc
what won't be ?
2015-04-22 10:49:45
Qantourisc
a dud ?
2015-04-22 10:49:49
TTN
yep
2015-04-22 10:49:52
TTN
wont be a dud
2015-04-22 10:50:00
TTN
I think I had exactly the same thing happen to me
2015-04-22 10:50:12
TTN
about the compile time. few months ago so my memory is vague on it
2015-04-22 10:50:20
Qantourisc
Well they make an athlon
2015-04-22 10:50:27
Qantourisc
still don't understand why they didn't just trow the phenom on a smaller die :D
2015-04-22 10:50:51
Qantourisc
well "just" :p
2015-04-22 10:51:00
Qantourisc
quess they needed more transistors for more speed
2015-04-22 10:51:15
Qantourisc
now THAT's tricky to make: a cpu, then you get to make the die, costing tons :p
2015-04-22 10:51:19
Qantourisc
and it MIGHT work :p
2015-04-22 10:51:51
TTN
lol I knew a guy who did all his freecad design on his rpi.
2015-04-22 10:51:55
TTN
it was his main workmachine
2015-04-22 10:52:20
Qantourisc
The O's on my keyboard are not big enough for O.O
2015-04-22 10:52:40
TTN
yea well he was lets say an interesting character
2015-04-22 10:52:52
TTN
never met irl
2015-04-22 10:53:06
Qantourisc
GO pc :p
2015-04-22 10:53:58
Qantourisc
Then again, it should be save to put case in computer desk, going to be designed "forever" :p
2015-04-22 10:55:12
Qantourisc
mwea i'll do some work while wiating for compile
2015-04-22 11:04:22
TTN
Qantourisc, percentage?
2015-04-22 11:04:50
Qantourisc
80%
2015-04-22 11:04:57
Qantourisc
tons slower then earlier recompile
2015-04-22 11:05:12
TTN
good good :P
2015-04-22 11:05:16
TTN
faster than mine
2015-04-22 11:06:07
Qantourisc
Well i DID buy and AMD </fanboy>
2015-04-22 11:06:46
TTN
hehe yep.
2015-04-22 11:07:09
TTN
best speed for cost afaik
2015-04-22 11:08:30
Qantourisc
back then sure
2015-04-22 11:08:32
Qantourisc
now maybe
2015-04-22 11:08:39
Qantourisc
depends on the benchmark according to some
2015-04-22 11:20:56
Qantourisc
TTN: didn't fix
2015-04-22 11:21:11
TTN
\o/
2015-04-22 11:21:39
Qantourisc
TTN: you mean /O\
2015-04-22 11:23:23
TTN
well
2015-04-22 11:23:25
TTN
now what
2015-04-22 11:23:52
Qantourisc
recompiling opencascade system lib with O3 vs O2, but that won't do it
2015-04-22 11:23:59
Qantourisc
the next alternative is profiling ...
2015-04-22 11:24:33
Qantourisc
Should atleast tell me in what so / bin or external lib it's stuck in
2015-04-22 11:24:33
Qantourisc
after i debug my internet :p
2015-04-22 11:24:58
TTN
wow profiling. beyond my skillset
2015-04-22 11:25:04
TTN
I'd be curious what it is.
2015-04-22 11:25:12
TTN
do let me know if you figure it out
2015-04-22 11:35:53
Qantourisc
TTN: well it will take a while using valgrind
2015-04-22 11:36:08
Qantourisc
that's about 4 times as slow, or worse :p
2015-04-22 11:38:50
TTN
dayumn
2015-04-22 11:39:48
Qantourisc
make that 20 :p
2015-04-22 11:40:38
Qantourisc
TTN: even IN sketch mode it's slow
2015-04-22 11:40:56
Qantourisc
starting to think its not related to constrains
2015-04-22 11:42:58
Qantourisc
libz took a chink, but that's on save iirc
2015-04-22 11:48:32
Qantourisc
well that perf failed (forking issues probably) lets hope linux perf tool does better
2015-04-22 11:53:22
Qantourisc
TTN: for swapping color: spends most of it's time in Eigen Ful PivHoudeholder Matrix ID Lin compute or something
2015-04-22 11:53:44
TTN
Qantourisc, which will be computed by some dependency... ?
2015-04-22 11:53:52
TTN
which might be the problem?
2015-04-22 11:54:00
Qantourisc
not really
2015-04-22 11:54:11
Qantourisc
well
2015-04-22 11:54:21
Qantourisc
might be, but then it's linked in, and not dynamiocally
2015-04-22 11:54:37
Qantourisc
so "eigen" lib is the issue
2015-04-22 11:55:03
Qantourisc
TTN: what eigen do you have installed ?
2015-04-22 11:55:23
TTN
btw I'm gonna head off soon..
2015-04-22 11:55:40
TTN
libeigen3-dev
2015-04-22 11:55:50
TTN
version 3.2.0-8
2015-04-22 11:56:24
Qantourisc
3.1.3 here, lets toss in 3.24
2015-04-22 11:57:37
Qantourisc
TTN: hmmm
2015-04-22 11:57:41
Qantourisc
TTN: what window manager ?
2015-04-22 11:57:58
TTN
compiz
2015-04-22 11:58:08
TTN
running a pretty standard ubuntu 14.04
2015-04-22 11:59:41
Qantourisc
TTN: ok not it either, could be my weird window manager was tripping it up, generating tons of redraw requests :p
2015-04-22 11:59:55
Qantourisc
going to eat now
2015-04-22 11:59:59
TTN
what window manager do you run?
2015-04-22 12:00:01
TTN
distro?
2015-04-22 12:00:04
TTN
ok
2015-04-22 12:10:51
Qantourisc
TTN: xmonad, gentoo
2015-04-22 12:22:06
Qantourisc
Lets hope i don't need a clean to fix :p
2015-04-22 12:23:24
Qantourisc
ow intall failezd
2015-04-22 12:25:01
TTN
Qantourisc, what failed?
2015-04-22 12:25:58
Qantourisc
compilation of eigen
2015-04-22 12:32:42
TTN
uh oh.
2015-04-22 12:41:02
Qantourisc
TTN: was in make test, so it's kinda ok
2015-04-22 12:41:14
Qantourisc
(but not really :D)
2015-04-22 12:47:10
Qantourisc
TTN: nope, will need to rerun profile
2015-04-22 12:49:34
Qantourisc
TTN: no improvement
2015-04-22 12:49:38
Qantourisc
same bottleneck
2015-04-22 12:49:47
TTN
:o
2015-04-22 12:51:55
Qantourisc
"Householder rank-revealing QR decomposition of a matrix with full pivoting. "
2015-04-22 12:52:35
Qantourisc
A solver
2015-04-22 12:53:26
Qantourisc
TTN: are you sure it's fast at your place O,O?
2015-04-22 12:53:38
TTN
Qantourisc, i can test
2015-04-22 12:53:42
TTN
what should I do?
2015-04-22 12:53:49
Qantourisc
open the file
2015-04-22 12:54:09
TTN
yep
2015-04-22 12:54:14
Qantourisc
clink on the rounded rectangles
2015-04-22 12:54:17
Qantourisc
goto sketcher mode
2015-04-22 12:54:19
Qantourisc
edit
2015-04-22 12:54:19
TTN
with the new compile from the github
2015-04-22 12:54:35
Qantourisc
select the rectangles
2015-04-22 12:54:40
Qantourisc
swap line color
2015-04-22 12:54:55
TTN
so editing casebackplate
2015-04-22 12:54:58
TTN
yep
2015-04-22 12:55:02
Qantourisc
yep
2015-04-22 12:55:09
Qantourisc
takes ~1second per color now
2015-04-22 12:55:11
Qantourisc
mind you
2015-04-22 12:55:17
Qantourisc
i have a far more complex one now
2015-04-22 12:55:26
TTN
and then toggle from between construction mode and back
2015-04-22 12:55:27
Qantourisc
shall i place a new version first ?
2015-04-22 12:55:35
Qantourisc
AND back ?
2015-04-22 12:55:40
Qantourisc
just 1 way is slow enough here :p
2015-04-22 12:55:43
TTN
kk
2015-04-22 12:56:48
TTN
within 3 seconds it toggles 8 lines: the two rectangles
2015-04-22 12:56:58
Qantourisc
3 seconds ?
2015-04-22 12:57:00
Qantourisc
isn't that slow ?
2015-04-22 12:57:04
TTN
it is
2015-04-22 12:57:17
Qantourisc
so it's the model
2015-04-22 12:57:27
Qantourisc
not sure how to fix the coincidences
2015-04-22 12:58:23
TTN
sorry network just fell out and its fiddely. doesn't work 100%
2015-04-22 12:58:35
TTN
so its the model sounds like it.
2015-04-22 12:58:44
TTN
but its not that that slow as you describe
2015-04-22 12:58:46
Qantourisc
that's what i said :p
2015-04-22 12:58:50
Qantourisc
ow it is
2015-04-22 12:58:56
Qantourisc
once you add 2 more of those :p
2015-04-22 12:59:59
TTN
2 more of what?
2015-04-22 13:00:08
Qantourisc
those rectangles
2015-04-22 13:00:27
TTN
btw when I fix the coincidences it spazzes out on the constraints as being invalid
2015-04-22 13:00:41
Qantourisc
?
2015-04-22 13:00:46
Qantourisc
well there are bug in there
2015-04-22 13:00:53
Qantourisc
but not sure how to find the bugs :/
2015-04-22 13:01:02
TTN
when I fix the coincidences it detects many of the constraints as being invalid
2015-04-22 13:01:12
Qantourisc
how DO you fix them ?
2015-04-22 13:01:25
TTN
part design -> validate sketch
2015-04-22 13:01:35
TTN
click find
2015-04-22 13:01:38
TTN
then click fix
2015-04-22 13:01:51
TTN
and maybe reduce the tolerance to 0.1 and find and fix again
2015-04-22 13:02:02
Qantourisc
ow there is a fix
2015-04-22 13:02:03
Qantourisc
Qantourisc checks
2015-04-22 13:02:48
Qantourisc
TTN: how are the caused ?
2015-04-22 13:03:08
TTN
when you snap two lines to the same point, they aren't actually joined
2015-04-22 13:03:22
Qantourisc
TTN: i see
2015-04-22 13:03:26
Qantourisc
was wondering about that
2015-04-22 13:03:28
TTN
you have to select both the endpoints and press C
2015-04-22 13:03:30
Qantourisc
so how DO you join them ?
2015-04-22 13:03:36
Qantourisc
i did that
2015-04-22 13:03:45
TTN
or enable autoconstraints and it autodos that
2015-04-22 13:03:52
TTN
but they are hard too find
2015-04-22 13:03:59
TTN
you missed 41 earlier..
2015-04-22 13:04:24
Qantourisc
TTN: think there is more going on, since i got them about everywhere
2015-04-22 13:04:29
TTN
you know how you have the rectangle with the 5mm radius?
2015-04-22 13:04:42
Qantourisc
and there are some places where i certainy used the right C join
2015-04-22 13:04:43
TTN
select the arc, press shift + r
2015-04-22 13:04:57
Qantourisc
Qantourisc checks that
2015-04-22 13:05:04
Qantourisc
AS SOON as it start responding again :/
2015-04-22 13:05:06
TTN
give it a radius and you won't need so many constraining lines... bit easier to draw that way
2015-04-22 13:05:14
TTN
lol kk
2015-04-22 13:05:24
Qantourisc
not sure IF it will come back
2015-04-22 13:05:43
Qantourisc
howlong should I wait ? :p
2015-04-22 13:06:12
TTN
maybe a minute? thats quiet long..
2015-04-22 13:06:16
Qantourisc
ok THIS long :p
2015-04-22 13:06:18
TTN
otherwise just kill it and start again :P
2015-04-22 13:06:29
TTN
might as well kill it, you haven't really changed much..
2015-04-22 13:07:04
Qantourisc
might be better of restarting the model
2015-04-22 13:07:12
Qantourisc
with the new recangle thing of you ?
2015-04-22 13:07:21
TTN
oh and you know how you have these constraining lines to keep the arc tangent to the lines, theres a constraint for that too
2015-04-22 13:07:35
Qantourisc
TTN: PS rectangle VS 45Degree corner ?
2015-04-22 13:07:51
TTN
mm?
2015-04-22 13:07:52
TTN
ps?
2015-04-22 13:08:00
Qantourisc
post scriptum, nevermind that
2015-04-22 13:08:03
TTN
ok
2015-04-22 13:08:19
Qantourisc
arc-tangent ?
2015-04-22 13:08:26
Qantourisc
wich part was that again ?
2015-04-22 13:08:41
TTN
oh the back plate
2015-04-22 13:08:52
Qantourisc
65 delete contrainsrs and counting :D
2015-04-22 13:09:02
TTN
I'll draw a new sketch and sent it to you if you like
2015-04-22 13:09:13
Qantourisc
nea i'll try it first
2015-04-22 13:09:18
Qantourisc
IF it comes alive again
2015-04-22 13:09:27
Qantourisc
TTN: for laser 45 is preferd in terms of speed
2015-04-22 13:09:39
TTN
45? degrees?
2015-04-22 13:09:44
TTN
between?
2015-04-22 13:09:47
Qantourisc
as in
2015-04-22 13:10:02
Qantourisc
doing lines is faster then curved stuff
2015-04-22 13:10:04
Qantourisc
usually
2015-04-22 13:10:10
Qantourisc
well unless you have good hardware
2015-04-22 13:10:11
TTN
ah k
2015-04-22 13:10:16
Qantourisc
to think of it, they problably do
2015-04-22 13:10:22
Qantourisc
they can even cut profiles
2015-04-22 13:10:49
TTN
explore the constraint types.. you know.. draw things faster and have freecad run faster too..
2015-04-22 13:11:25
Qantourisc
TTN: I was under the impression that some of them are composite types, and not actual faster shapes ?
2015-04-22 13:12:10
TTN
like the tangent one?
2015-04-22 13:12:28
TTN
I mean you can draw that by hand with construction lines
2015-04-22 13:12:38
TTN
so I guess the tangent constraint is composite..
2015-04-22 13:12:57
TTN
I'm not sure. faster imo for freecad to proccess
2015-04-22 13:13:12
Qantourisc
even if it's faster to draw for me it's better :p
2015-04-22 13:13:22
Qantourisc
well constrains fixed, still slow on convert
2015-04-22 13:13:26
Qantourisc
now going to check your types
2015-04-22 13:13:34
Qantourisc
starting with the arc, then the full auto rounded
2015-04-22 13:14:18
TTN
use a equality constraint to set all the arcs to an equal radius..
2015-04-22 13:14:31
TTN
then constrain one to say 5mm and booom all of them are 5mm
2015-04-22 13:14:33
TTN
:P
2015-04-22 13:16:22
TTN
btw for the rectangle with the radiuses, its going to be faster to draw a rectangle, make it a pad, cut a rectangle out of it, and use the chamfer tool to put a radius on all those corners
2015-04-22 13:16:49
TTN
you could even use the linear pattern tool to get a bunch of em in a line really easily
2015-04-22 13:17:04
Qantourisc
pattern tool ?
2015-04-22 13:17:14
TTN
yep.
2015-04-22 13:17:18
Qantourisc
outside sketcher ?
2015-04-22 13:17:22
TTN
yep.
2015-04-22 13:17:28
Qantourisc
not on option
2015-04-22 13:17:32
Qantourisc
not sure how to export will go :/
2015-04-22 13:18:24
TTN
theres good tutorials on youtube..
2015-04-22 13:18:43
Qantourisc
Again, i know there is array stuff and so
2015-04-22 13:18:58
Qantourisc
but I have to assume i can only export the oringal sketch
2015-04-22 13:19:17
TTN
oh wait thats right you want the lines.. not a 3d model..
2015-04-22 13:19:23
TTN
right...
2015-04-22 13:19:36
TTN
<- 3d prints stuffs :P
2015-04-22 13:19:44
Qantourisc
Well I need the 3D to verify
2015-04-22 13:19:49
Qantourisc
but i need to provide 2D plans
2015-04-22 13:20:36
TTN
better check if those sketches can do that..
2015-04-22 13:20:54
Qantourisc
TTN: already exported to dxf
2015-04-22 13:21:03
TTN
oh cool
2015-04-22 13:21:06
Qantourisc
TTN: wait no that was a projection
2015-04-22 13:21:15
Qantourisc
HMMM ... projections work
2015-04-22 13:21:22
Qantourisc
still i'd prefer to do it in 1 place if i can :p
2015-04-22 13:21:43
Qantourisc
TTN: so where is your rounded triangle ?
2015-04-22 13:21:55
TTN
chamfer?
2015-04-22 13:22:00
Qantourisc
yes ?
2015-04-22 13:22:10
TTN
only works on pads.
2015-04-22 13:22:13
TTN
:/
2015-04-22 13:22:16
Qantourisc
a ofcours :D
2015-04-22 13:22:20
TTN
sorry..
2015-04-22 13:22:23
Qantourisc
can't camper everything :p
2015-04-22 13:22:42
Qantourisc
np ditching 90% of the lines is making it fast
2015-04-22 13:22:58
TTN
hahaha yes. and it gets fast to draw all that too
2015-04-22 13:23:03
TTN
*faster
2015-04-22 13:27:05
TTN
lol bedtime.
2015-04-22 13:27:34
TTN
Qantourisc, just ask if you get stuck and I'm on :P I had to ask too when I started
2015-04-22 13:27:56
Qantourisc
TTN: ok thanks
2015-04-22 13:27:56
Qantourisc
night
2015-04-22 13:28:06
TTN
:)
2015-04-22 15:59:00
Qantourisc
Don't suppose i can daisy-chain constrains ?
2015-04-22 17:43:16
Qantourisc
Anyone has experience exporting 2D drawings?
2015-04-22 18:37:31
Qantourisc
Having trouble with cornered rectangles + sketcher + freecad freezing
2015-04-22 19:36:28
Qantourisc
"not allowed" to edit in scketcher
2015-04-22 19:38:15
Qantourisc
restart helped
2015-04-22 20:51:39
Qantourisc
"Document::recompute: The graph must be a DAG"
2015-04-22 20:51:41
Qantourisc
grr
2015-04-22 20:53:50
ickby_
Qantourisc: this means you have created cyclic dependencies between your parts
2015-04-22 20:54:51
Qantourisc
ickby: any idea how to unlink ?
2015-04-22 20:55:44
Qantourisc
tolate, tossed the stack :/
2015-04-22 20:57:04
Qantourisc
Starting to think this is a bad idea :p
2015-04-22 20:57:06
ickby
as I dont know your model I have no idea. have a look at tool->dependency gaph to see where the circle is
2015-04-22 21:10:39
Qantourisc
howlong does it take before you get used to the program :p
2015-04-22 21:15:29
topcyde
Qantourisc: I don't think it'd a matter of getting used to it. More like putting up with it's idiosyncrasies.
2015-04-22 21:15:49
Qantourisc
I see
2015-04-22 21:16:08
Qantourisc
Starting to think blender might be saner :p
2015-04-22 21:16:21
Qantourisc
well
2015-04-22 21:16:33
Qantourisc
unless external strech works
2015-04-22 21:18:04
topcyde
Blender has it's benefits, but so does FC
2015-04-22 21:19:03
Qantourisc
yea
2015-04-22 21:19:14
ickby
Freecad is pretty sane and logical, it just requires a certain kind of thinking, it is not self-explainig.
2015-04-22 21:19:33
Qantourisc
it's just clunky to work with :p
2015-04-22 21:19:41
Qantourisc
And I don't need a 3D model that's the problem
2015-04-22 21:19:49
ickby
and has some bugs one need to workaround :)
2015-04-22 21:20:46
Qantourisc
ickby: can I fill sketches ?
2015-04-22 21:20:52
Qantourisc
and then extrude them along normal ?
2015-04-22 21:21:00
topcyde
but in 2.5 years of using it, I'm always impressed with each new release.
2015-04-22 21:21:19
ickby
Qantourisc: just select the sketch and use the part design pad tool
2015-04-22 21:21:28
Qantourisc
Qantourisc tries
2015-04-22 21:28:34
Qantourisc
ickby: can't find the "fill polygon into plane"
2015-04-22 21:28:53
Qantourisc
I need 3D sketcker :p
2015-04-22 21:30:34
Qantourisc
idea /me tries
2015-04-22 21:32:29
Qantourisc
ickby: and suddenly, even external strecher is working :p
2015-04-22 21:34:05
ickby
what shall "fill polygon into plane" be? you don't need to fill the setch before padding
2015-04-22 21:34:13
ickby
that is done automaticly by pad
2015-04-22 21:34:34
Qantourisc
ickby: i wanted to draw on a 90degree angle
2015-04-22 21:34:39
Qantourisc
but you can do that after pad :p
2015-04-22 21:35:48
Qantourisc
I'll need to make a sketch on paper first, freecad is not fast/flexible enough to sketch directly on it :p
2015-04-22 21:48:15
Qantourisc
ok this project would be tomuch work :p
2015-04-22 21:48:34
Qantourisc
Got another idea that will fullfill all requirements and require no custom parts :p
2015-04-22 21:48:47
Qantourisc
still nice to have done some cad :p
2015-04-22 21:59:26
Qantourisc
TTN: ow didn't see you join :p
2015-04-22 21:59:49
Qantourisc
TTN: thanks for help yesterday (for you) but found a saner solution
2015-04-22 22:09:32
TTN
Qantourisc, oh cool. whats that?
2015-04-22 22:10:05
Qantourisc
TTN: add 6 panels to the desk design 1 detachable (easily) the other doored
2015-04-22 22:10:12
Qantourisc
line inside with foil
2015-04-22 22:10:21
Qantourisc
cut holes where needed
2015-04-22 22:10:23
Qantourisc
at filter
2015-04-22 22:10:29
TTN
make a hat while you're at it ;)
2015-04-22 22:10:30
Qantourisc
buy cheapest case you can find (or 2)
2015-04-22 22:10:50
Qantourisc
actually don't even need the front, it can dam float on a U profile
2015-04-22 22:10:59
Qantourisc
mount cut up parts
2015-04-22 22:11:02
Qantourisc
drill more holes
2015-04-22 22:11:11
Qantourisc
add pci-locking plate
2015-04-22 22:11:19
Qantourisc
cost? a lot better :p
2015-04-22 22:11:29
TTN
nice
2015-04-22 22:11:30
Qantourisc
and not 1 week of CAD :p
2015-04-22 22:12:25
Qantourisc
TTN: just not sure if I should use alluminium sheet or foil :p
2015-04-22 22:12:48
TTN
could get aluminium tape.
2015-04-22 22:13:05
Qantourisc
not wide enough to line ~1m² :D
2015-04-22 22:13:09
TTN
that gets messy too though..
2015-04-22 22:13:13
TTN
yea :P
2015-04-22 22:47:24
Qantourisc
TTN: any experience with wood ?
2015-04-22 23:10:21
Moult
TTN: calculix. the input decks are based off the abaqus syntax though.
2015-04-22 23:23:50
TTN
Qantourisc, in general or with pc cases? I
2015-04-22 23:24:01
TTN
*I've done some wood working before..
2015-04-22 23:26:45
TTN
Qantourisc, if you pick wood, go for a quality 6+layer ply
2015-04-22 23:26:50
TTN
or its gonna warp
2015-04-22 23:27:00
TTN
well depends a lot on the finish too
2015-04-22 23:27:09
TTN
if you seal it, its going to be fine
2015-04-22 23:27:11
Qantourisc
TTN: general, well pc will be trown into there :p
2015-04-22 23:27:20
Qantourisc
i don't like the look of ply :p
2015-04-22 23:27:42
TTN
I think laser cut ply looks cool.. especially if you can engrave some stuff
2015-04-22 23:27:48
TTN
but you don't have one ay
2015-04-22 23:28:07
TTN
ok
2015-04-22 23:28:32
TTN
acrylic sheet?
2015-04-22 23:28:35
TTN
but eh.
2015-04-22 23:28:43
TTN
I think laser cutting doesn't cost much?
2015-04-22 23:28:56
TTN
acrylic will probably need laser cutting too
2015-04-22 23:29:26
Qantourisc
TTN: why does wood warp ?
2015-04-22 23:29:47
Qantourisc
and iir you can solve that a bit by embedding U profiles iirc
2015-04-22 23:30:48
TTN
Qantourisc, wood isn't homogenous.. the sap wood shrinks more when drying than the more central heartwood does, end result is that when theres moisture variations it likes to warp but it depends on the piece of wood, how it was cut, how large the humidity swings are..
2015-04-22 23:31:30
Qantourisc
hm
2015-04-22 23:31:48
TTN
if the wood is sufficiently thin (under 10mm) and you have a good frame it will be fine.
2015-04-22 23:32:05
Qantourisc
thicker wood is worse ?
2015-04-22 23:32:18
TTN
yep
2015-04-22 23:32:41
TTN
well unless its a plywood with many layers, the layers sort of cancel each other's warp
2015-04-22 23:32:57
Qantourisc
but it's but ugly :D
2015-04-22 23:33:16
TTN
I haven't done so much work with sheets more lathe work
2015-04-22 23:33:56
TTN
I guess it really depends. I'm sure you can get a well seasoned board that ins't going to warp
2015-04-22 23:34:15
TTN
for my purposes (a handbuilt clock) it was pretty important..
2015-04-22 23:34:31
Qantourisc
so ... good wood suplier :p
2015-04-22 23:35:50
Moult
TTN: so, any experience with those?
2015-04-22 23:36:04
TTN
hand built clocks?
2015-04-22 23:36:38
Moult
TTN: :)
2015-04-22 23:36:42
Moult
TTN: calculix or abaqus
2015-04-22 23:37:12
TTN
no.. never used it.. Did I say I used it?
2015-04-22 23:37:17
Moult
TTN: or i guess FEA in general, i am assuming the issue i am having is really simple - i am not an engineer, and so this stuff escapes me
2015-04-22 23:37:20
TTN
or mentioned it maybe..
2015-04-22 23:37:32
Moult
[12:25:28] <TTN> Moult, what software are you using?
2015-04-22 23:37:42
TTN
thats right.
2015-04-22 23:37:54
TTN
I wanted to do some fea stuffs too and didn;t know how to either :P
2015-04-22 23:38:06
Moult
awesome :) perhaps topcyde might have some answers
2015-04-22 23:39:38
Moult
topcyde: pong. i'm attempting to simulate two masonry blocks. one on the ground, and the other above it with a displacement. i expect the one above to fall down, hit the lower block, and tumble over. unfortunately weird intersections and unnatural reactions seem to occur
2015-04-22 23:39:55
Qantourisc
TTN: ok by reading, I will basically have to force the wood into a frame to prevent warming
2015-04-22 23:40:07
Qantourisc
so defently going to need either engineerd wood, or metal frames
2015-04-22 23:52:34
Qantourisc
Any woodwork channel ? :p
2015-04-22 23:59:28
Moult
topcyde: don't know if you're familiar with calculix (or at least abaqus format) but here's a pastebin of my current input http://pastebin.com/5CWamDTz
2015-04-23 00:16:12
Qantourisc
TTN: thinking of taking smaller pieces of wood and joining them to prevent warm ?
2015-04-23 00:16:15
Qantourisc
*warp
2015-04-23 00:16:19
Qantourisc
well help prevent it :p
2015-04-23 00:50:21
topcyde
Moult: where'd you get the file from?
2015-04-23 01:03:57
Moult
topcyde: i made it
2015-04-23 01:05:21
Moult
topcyde: there are two cubes. they are made out of 10 node tetrahedral elements.
2015-04-23 01:06:21
TTN
Qantourisc, ##woodworking only 12 people in it though
2015-04-23 01:06:49
TTN
Qantourisc, smaller pieces helps yep.
2015-04-23 01:06:56
TTN
with a good sheet it won't be a problem
2015-04-23 01:07:08
Qantourisc
TTN: sheet ?
2015-04-23 01:07:39
TTN
yea like board say, 400x500 x10mm thick
2015-04-23 01:07:51
TTN
a good frame and some screws and it should be ok
2015-04-23 01:14:25
Qantourisc
TTN: don't screw it, wood expands, unless tyour board is the frame
2015-04-23 02:56:23
topcyde
Moult: double check your material qualities they seem off to me, but it's been a long time since I've read a FEM file. I've been lazy and just had the software gen them.
2015-04-23 03:14:57
Moult
topcyde: which property? density, E, or poisson's ratio?
2015-04-23 03:18:03
topcyde
*ELASTIC 13990000000.0, .29
2015-04-23 03:18:08
topcyde
seems way off
2015-04-23 03:20:30
Moult
topcyde: so young's modulus?
2015-04-23 03:21:00
topcyde
just a second, I'm checking the docs to make sure what it's supposed to be but yes I think so
2015-04-23 03:22:01
Moult
topcyde: i have the young's modulus of hawkesbury sandstone at 13.99GPa. Converting to N/m^2 gives me 1.399x10^10
2015-04-23 03:22:07
Moult
topcyde: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=13.99GPa+in+N%2Fm%5E2
2015-04-23 03:22:24
topcyde
if you haven't found it already this is the best sight for calculix info in my opinion http://www.dhondt.de/
2015-04-23 03:22:34
Moult
my dimensions are all given in meters, so i have 1m^3 cubes.
2015-04-23 03:22:46
Moult
yep, and i've read through their documentation, however i'm an architect, not an engineer :)
2015-04-23 03:22:54
Moult
so i am just feeling my way through
2015-04-23 03:25:11
topcyde
Isotropic linear elastic materials are characterized by their Young’s modulus and Poisson’s coefficient.
2015-04-23 03:26:48
Moult
topcyde: is sandstone an isotropic linear elastic material?
2015-04-23 03:28:06
topcyde
yes
2015-04-23 03:28:31
Moult
topcyde: i suspect the issue is in the way i'm defining the gap
2015-04-23 03:29:24
topcyde
What are the results from the analysis?
2015-04-23 03:29:26
Moult
topcyde: because it is intersecting with the mesh. if you download calculix you can run it - as it's a really simple file it runs very quickly
2015-04-23 03:34:54
Moult
topcyde: i would share a gif if i could
2015-04-23 03:37:02
Moult
topcyde: http://imgur.com/b7Kutyb
2015-04-23 03:37:25
Moult
topcyde: this is after it falls and hits the bottom block. it indeed starts toppling, but seems to topple unnaturally fast and as you can see intersects with the bottom mesh
2015-04-23 03:41:13
topcyde
Move you block half the length of one side fwd or back in reference from the view of that. The mesh intersection solver isn't seeing something, I just don't know what
2015-04-23 03:43:25
topcyde
And just to let you know most sandstone is not isotropic because it usually has a grain to it, but when used in construction its usually quarried from a large enough deposit the is not full of sedimentary layer, but I caveat that with.. usually.
2015-04-23 03:49:53
Moult
topcyde: i don't understand your first statement, can you please rephrase that?
2015-04-23 03:55:07
topcyde
how big are your blocks?
2015-04-23 03:57:36
Moult
topcyde: 1 x 1 x1m
2015-04-23 03:58:37
topcyde
move it .5M in Y, either plus or minus doesn't matter
2015-04-23 03:59:47
Moult
topcyde: so that it is directly on top of the cube below?
2015-04-23 04:00:20
topcyde
Why are you using C3D10? I thought you wanted cubes, that's C3D20 or C3D8
2015-04-23 04:00:47
Moult
topcyde: i am using C3D10 because in the end the shapes will not be cubes. they will be more complicated shapes which i can only import from a 3d generated tet model
2015-04-23 04:08:39
topcyde
Did you try a C3D8 or C3D20, run the solver, then change the shape?
2015-04-23 04:09:35
Moult
i haven't tried
2015-04-23 04:09:39
Moult
topcyde: should i try with a C3D8?
2015-04-23 04:11:23
topcyde
Give it a go and see what it looks like, I don't have a warm fuzz feeling everything is configured correctly by looking at the element representation in that gif
2015-04-23 04:11:55
Moult
topcyde: ok. how would you model the gap, is the GAPUNI elements correct, or should i be using contact pairs?
2015-04-23 04:12:43
topcyde
I think gapuni is correct but I'm trying to hash my way through the docs to give you a solid yay or nay
2015-04-23 04:16:46
Moult
topcyde: right, i'm recreating the mesh in C3d8 now
2015-04-23 04:25:04
Moult
topcyde: http://pastebin.com/gvSAUaV0
2015-04-23 04:25:18
Moult
topcyde: this gives me a cube that bounces. no intersection, but bouncing rather unconvincingly for a massive block of sandstone
2015-04-23 04:25:32
Moult
topcyde: note that i am not using a gapuni element. let me try with gapuni
2015-04-23 04:28:28
Moult
topcyde: with gapuni (no contact pair), it goes right through, then it warps like crazy
2015-04-23 04:30:04
topcyde
reading...
2015-04-23 04:30:13
Moult
topcyde: :)
2015-04-23 04:30:49
topcyde
why I leave it to the computer, syntax can be a real whore sometimes
2015-04-23 04:32:41
topcyde
I think I' going about this all wrong, what are you trying to achieve with this? Just where the brick will fall?
2015-04-23 04:43:29
Moult
topcyde: yes, where the brick will fall, and where the stresses are
2015-04-23 04:43:41
Moult
topcyde: the real model isnt cubes - it's funny shaped blocks and the blocks are interlocking
2015-04-23 04:46:10
topcyde
okay, when building a FEM start simple. 2 perfect cubes resting on each other, with static forces. This will help you to clarify your boundaries and establish baseline tests for your analysis.
2015-04-23 04:47:29
Moult
topcyde: i have it marked as *DYNAMIC, should it be *STATIC instead?
2015-04-23 04:48:13
Moult
topcyde: and to confirm, is the *STEP NLGEOM flag correct?
2015-04-23 04:53:23
topcyde
Static yes, nonliner geometry no
2015-04-23 04:55:46
topcyde
Make everything Static and Linear on initial tests, it allows you to focus on getting the setup correct before you go smashing things with hammers. Think of the whole thing as a process, not a single event. solve for the simplest representation first then work at complicating it.
2015-04-23 04:58:40
Moult
topcyde: when i make it *STATIC, it says "error: too many cutbacks", a cutback i believe is a failure due to too many iterations attempted
2015-04-23 05:00:13
Moult
topcyde: to solve it, it attempts to do an "increment". for each increment, it will run a bunch of iterations until a convergence is found. if none is found, it reattempts the increment. if too many attempts are made without a convergence, it gives the too many cutbacks error (from my understanding)
2015-04-23 05:02:03
topcyde
can you repost your latest fbd?
2015-04-23 05:05:13
Moult
yep hold on
2015-04-23 05:05:24
Moult
topcyde: inp, you mean
2015-04-23 05:05:33
topcyde
yes
2015-04-23 05:05:44
Moult
topcyde: http://pastebin.com/0QnnxZMU
2015-04-23 05:13:06
topcyde
Moult: and when you switch line 77 to dynamic it bounces through an all over the place?
2015-04-23 05:13:52
Moult
topcyde: if i switch to dynamic, it will hit and bounce. it doesn't bounce "all over the place", just an unnaturally high bounce for a heavy sandstone block
2015-04-23 05:14:10
Moult
topcyde: if i make it static, it will go through the mesh, and warp
2015-04-23 05:20:40
topcyde
can you post up the frames under the dynamic of where it contacts and then about the apex of the bounce and it's final rest, I don't have Calculix installed on this machine to asses what's going on.
2015-04-23 05:23:13
Moult
topcyde: sorry, my mistake
2015-04-23 05:23:55
Moult
topcyde: the contact pair allows it to bounce unnaturally. the GAPUNI causes it to go through and warp. the dynamic has nothing to do with it. under static it will not compute due to too many cutbacks.
2015-04-23 05:28:32
topcyde
sorry man I'm tired and getting confused my self(multitasking), switch it back to contact pair and then post those frames
2015-04-23 05:32:53
Moult
topcyde: not really worth posting pictures, basically it bounces infinitely high, it keeps on flying up :)
2015-04-23 05:33:09
Moult
it falls, hits the block, and becomes superman
2015-04-23 05:34:27
topcyde
gravity might be in the wrong place
2015-04-23 05:39:48
topcyde
are you making it static and leaving the gap between the 2?
2015-04-23 05:42:02
Moult
topcyde: i think the gravity is correct, else why would it fall in the first place?
2015-04-23 05:42:28
Moult
topcyde: http://pastebin.com/Fsmf7rUf is the code i'm running
2015-04-23 05:42:33
Moult
topcyde: if it's static, it won't run
2015-04-23 05:45:02
topcyde
set the block on top instead of dropping it and run it, then introduce a gap in increments
2015-04-23 05:47:20
Moult
ok
2015-04-23 05:47:37
Moult
topcyde: should i remove the contact pair?
2015-04-23 05:54:25
topcyde
Nevermind I finally see it
2015-04-23 05:54:28
topcyde
Eall,GRAV,9.81,0.,0.,-1.
2015-04-23 05:54:34
topcyde
not enough gravity
2015-04-23 05:55:03
topcyde
Eall,GRAV,9810.0,0.,0.,-1.
2015-04-23 05:55:12
topcyde
pesky decimal places
2015-04-23 05:55:27
topcyde
line 80
2015-04-23 05:57:54
Moult
let me try :)
2015-04-23 05:59:39
Moult
topcyde: well, now it simply slides off the block in the diagonal xy direction
2015-04-23 06:01:57
topcyde
are your faces perpendicular to Z?
2015-04-23 06:02:45
Moult
topcyde: yes, the coordinates are very simple
2015-04-23 06:03:21
topcyde
I only ask because in the image you posted before they don't really look like it
2015-04-23 06:05:52
Moult
topcyde: yes, true, but the coords don't lie :)
2015-04-23 06:06:36
topcyde
Are they in contact or do you have a gap on this one?
2015-04-23 06:07:58
Moult
topcyde: the coordinates are exactly contacting - ie. the top of the bottom cube has z=1, and the bottom of the top cube also has z=1
2015-04-23 06:08:10
Moult
topcyde: there are no gapuni elements defined, only contact pair is defined
2015-04-23 06:08:23
Moult
topcyde: the contact pair is a surface to surface between the top of the bottom cube, and the bottom of the top cube
2015-04-23 06:09:02
topcyde
whats the initial distance?
2015-04-23 06:11:32
Moult
topcyde: initially there is no distance
2015-04-23 06:11:37
Moult
topcyde: they are perfectly on top of one another
2015-04-23 06:12:20
Moult
by the way, i really appreciate this help you are giving :) thanks very much
2015-04-23 06:23:16
topcyde
no problem, everyone tries to help around here.
2015-04-23 06:24:21
topcyde
I just wish I had an answer for why it decided to disregard basic earth boundary physics.
2015-04-23 06:50:52
Moult
topcyde: what software do you use?
2015-04-23 06:51:10
Moult
if it's abaqus, the formats are similar enough to compare?
2015-04-23 06:54:11
topcyde
Nastran, well I did while I was employed, I used calculix a little, but it was a while ago, and the input was generated by the cad software(can't remember which).
2015-04-23 06:56:22
topcyde
I did build export a model in freecad the other day and messed with the Fem workbench but I've not figured out it's little nuances. I did get it to output a calculix input file though so I know that part works.
2015-04-23 06:57:10
topcyde
I meant I built a model and exported it in a mesh format
2015-04-23 07:26:28
Qantourisc
TTN: well it's not a super-active place :D
2015-04-23 08:06:52
TTN
Qantourisc, nope! :3
2015-04-23 08:06:59
TTN
no not particularly
2015-04-23 08:07:10
Qantourisc
TTN: now wondering what the ideal curve of a curved desk would be
2015-04-23 08:07:25
TTN
42
2015-04-23 08:07:38
Qantourisc
wel atm I have 40 :p
2015-04-23 08:07:49
Qantourisc
Could make it 42 just for the joke :)
2015-04-23 08:17:25
Qantourisc
TTN: I so expected a curved corner would be ideal, but alas, we humans have width, so a straight edge kinda works better
2015-04-23 08:17:55
Qantourisc
Any curve has to be limited to "straight-ish" with a 50cm line
2015-04-23 08:18:16
Qantourisc
lets ask the solver :D
2015-04-23 08:23:30
Qantourisc
TTN: according to sketcher, and assuming you want a max curve of the desk beeing 5 cm over a distance of 50cm
2015-04-23 08:24:32
Qantourisc
70cm radius
2015-04-23 08:37:33
TTN
Qantourisc, finding it quicker to sketch?
2015-04-23 08:37:50
TTN
sorry for the delayed replies, I'm away from my pc half of the time :P
2015-04-23 08:38:15
Qantourisc
TTN: when you need to messure and get exact sizes, yea (and re-edit)
2015-04-23 08:38:29
Moult
topcyde: do you think you could try generate a simple calculix inp file to see if you can get it to work? i'm sure it's just something i'm doing that's silly
2015-04-23 08:38:43
Qantourisc
TTN: if I know the specs before, and don't need to re-edit, blender is still a lot faster :p
2015-04-23 08:39:11
TTN
Qantourisc, lol I used blender and found it tricky.. sooo many buttons
2015-04-23 08:39:21
Qantourisc
TTN: but LICHTING speed :)
2015-04-23 08:39:21
TTN
coming from google sketchup freecad is wonderfull
2015-04-23 08:39:33
Qantourisc
TTN: also use the bottems from your keyboard, not the GUI :)
2015-04-23 08:39:39
TTN
bliksem snell :)
2015-04-23 08:39:59
Qantourisc
:p
2015-04-23 08:40:09
TTN
I use the keyboard shortcuts of freecad so its a lot faster
2015-04-23 08:40:21
Qantourisc
didn't knew it had any !
2015-04-23 08:40:31
Qantourisc
i mean ... you godda swap modes all the time !
2015-04-23 08:40:49
TTN
hover the mouse over the constraint button and it tells you what key its bound to
2015-04-23 08:41:01
Qantourisc
that's noting compared to blender :p
2015-04-23 08:41:42
TTN
got to learn it first >:D
2015-04-23 08:41:53
TTN
lol same can be said of freecad
2015-04-23 08:42:07
Qantourisc
Well if there is a fast way to swith mode ...
2015-04-23 08:42:27
TTN
which modes are you switching
2015-04-23 08:42:42
Qantourisc
part sketcher,draft, ...
2015-04-23 08:43:45
TTN
part and part design overlap a lot... but I see the what you mean
2015-04-23 08:44:04
TTN
yea..
2015-04-23 08:47:45
Qantourisc
TTN: Ps, why is the curve resolution so low ?
2015-04-23 08:49:41
TTN
Qantourisc, its the default.. under preferences -> part design -> shape view I changed the maximum deviation to 0.0250 %
2015-04-23 08:52:21
Qantourisc
TTN: then what is the angle for ? :p
2015-04-23 08:52:31
TTN
no idea
2015-04-23 09:04:15
TTN
did you figure it out?
2015-04-23 09:04:28
Qantourisc
TTN: wasn't looking, just wondering :p
2015-04-23 12:12:49
Qantourisc
No way to make a constrain between 2 objects ?
2015-04-23 12:13:02
Qantourisc
(or group so an origin is used)
2015-04-23 15:09:33
tolland
if you are modelling something fairly symmetrical (say a rubiks cube), is it better to centre the whole thing, or pick a corner and place that at 0,0,0 ?
2015-04-23 15:12:01
tolland
I guess if its centred, most other sketches can reference 0,0,0, but if its set to a corner, features have to be relative to the first sketch, which touches the corner
2015-04-23 15:47:38
Qantourisc
tolland: sorry to green to answer you, maybe someone else
2015-04-23 17:18:38
AbortRetryFail
Last night I installed FreeCAD 0.15 from my distro (archlinux)'s repos. Modeled a simple part with the Part Design workbench. That all worked fine, but whenever I try to export it to a file format my friend's 3d printer can use, it gets mutilated.
2015-04-23 17:19:14
AbortRetryFail
Is there anything special I need to be doing first before trying to export a .dxf or .obj mesh?
2015-04-23 17:21:08
rockn
AbortRetryFail: HI, you have to select ONLY the last visible object in the tree view before exporting. New comers usually select all object, but it's export and merge together all objects, even hidden object...
2015-04-23 17:21:30
AbortRetryFail
hmm, yeah I did select-all
2015-04-23 17:22:00
AbortRetryFail
I'll try selecting the fillet at the bottom when I get home and give it another shot. Thanks!
2015-04-23 17:22:05
rockn
AbortRetryFail: so, select just the visible part (in the 3D view or in the tree view)
2015-04-23 17:22:36
rockn
AbortRetryFail: yep, it must working well like that
2015-04-23 17:23:27
AbortRetryFail
yeah, it came out as a jumbled mess, even re-importing the same file into FreeCAD was awful. :)
2015-04-23 17:24:29
rockn
yes, all step was export and merge so it's result a bad model ;)
2015-04-23 17:24:51
AbortRetryFail
thanks again!
2015-04-23 17:25:01
rockn
:)
2015-04-23 22:19:40
Qantourisc
TTN: hmm that table top piece of wood ?
2015-04-23 22:19:43
Qantourisc
suddenly got big
2015-04-23 22:19:44
Qantourisc
VERRY big
2015-04-23 22:19:53
Qantourisc
1.3m²
2015-04-23 22:21:52
Qantourisc
slighly smarter start plate: 900x1.8meter
2015-04-23 23:54:35
TTN
Qantourisc, nice size
2015-04-23 23:58:18
Qantourisc
TTN: just recently got worse, looking at 2m² now ...
2015-04-23 23:58:58
Qantourisc
TTN: or in actual surface area ~3m²
2015-04-23 23:59:16
TTN
:D
2015-04-23 23:59:29
Qantourisc
TTN: always had a way to small desk: NO MORE
2015-04-24 00:00:38
Qantourisc
TTN: if i could only make the curve smaller
2015-04-24 00:00:52
Qantourisc
ow right, there is still the tricky bit of fov :(
2015-04-24 00:01:10
Qantourisc
lets add that contraint :p
2015-04-24 00:02:45
Qantourisc
TTN: is there a a "view only selected object" ?
2015-04-24 00:02:50
Qantourisc
lovely feature in blender :p
2015-04-24 00:03:19
TTN
space toggles show/hide selected objects
2015-04-24 00:03:26
TTN
in the tree view..
2015-04-24 00:03:31
TTN
not that I know of sorry
2015-04-24 00:10:29
Qantourisc
Well the monitor setup implies ... I knida need the radius :/
2015-04-24 00:26:16
Qantourisc
TTN: want to go to bed, but dam customer needs her computer working this morning :/
2015-04-24 00:49:28
TTN
Qantourisc, :/
2015-04-24 00:49:37
Qantourisc
it's 1:49 here
2015-04-24 00:49:45
TTN
11:49 here
2015-04-24 00:49:49
TTN
am
2015-04-24 00:49:51
Qantourisc
think i'll skimp a few files, and risk issue tomorrow
2015-04-24 00:50:21
TTN
recovering stuffs?
2015-04-24 00:50:22
Qantourisc
TTN: what is a good way to put objects on curves/vertexes ?
2015-04-24 00:51:12
TTN
Not too sure. A whole object? not just a sketch?
2015-04-24 00:51:33
Qantourisc
sketch would work
2015-04-24 00:51:52
TTN
you could constrain the sketch in such a manner
2015-04-24 00:52:09
Qantourisc
TTN: good idea
2015-04-24 00:52:10
TTN
or use the placement options to position it like so
2015-04-24 00:52:23
Qantourisc
heavy on the solved, but can be done
2015-04-24 00:52:29
TTN
I'd go with the later if the sketch is pretty complex
2015-04-24 00:56:36
Qantourisc
TTN: nea
2015-04-24 12:58:51
tolland
its sometimes convenient to be able to have 2 sketches open to compare. is there any way to get a read-only view of the constrains on one sketch while editing another?
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