#freecad Log v0.1

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2017-09-16 14:40:42
GeitMint__
yeah, I wondered, too why after such a long time there is no release. But since I am currently in the same situation with a project, I can understand that.
2017-09-16 14:41:35
GeitMint__
releasing a project with so many places being worked on, makes it hard to get all in shape for a stable release
2017-09-16 14:42:08
GeitMint__
in my case it is a complete operating system :)
2017-09-16 15:15:51
knutselsmurf
I want to use TECHDRAW, but if I add a part to the techdraw page I see only a box with the text VIEW.
2017-09-16 15:16:05
knutselsmurf
Don't see the part itself...
2017-09-16 15:19:06
knutselsmurf
any help ?
2017-09-16 15:49:25
knutselsmurf
any experienced freecad users here ?
2017-09-16 16:38:18
GeitMint__
i wouldn´t say experienced. Still learning :D
2017-09-16 16:38:43
GeitMint__
no clue about techdraw, tho
2017-09-16 16:39:22
GeitMint__
bah, he is gone
2017-09-16 20:13:39
XXCoder
essentally because usability have increased to point where people uses it in daily basis. that attracts developers that is likely to use it also, linex
2017-09-16 20:14:49
linex
XXCoder: I think 0.17 going to be awesome
2017-09-16 20:15:10
XXCoder
I think so also.
2017-09-16 20:19:51
FreeCADBot3
(kkremitzki) 0.17 is likely to be released sooner than the end of the year
2017-09-16 20:20:43
FreeCADBot3
(kkremitzki) Probably one of the last major disrupting changes got merged recently so once the dust settles around that things will become more clear
2017-09-16 20:28:27
linex
Wow
2017-09-16 20:29:04
linex
kkremitzki is one of the main developers I am guessing
2017-09-16 20:29:24
FreeCADBot3
(kkremitzki) No, I just worked on Google Summer of Code for the project this year
2017-09-16 20:31:23
FreeCADBot3
(kkremitzki) If you don't use the Part Design workbench 0.17 is pretty stable for regular use
2017-09-16 21:44:40
linex
I mainly use Part Design workbench.
2017-09-16 21:45:40
linex
Is Part Design workbench is what holding back the release ?
2017-09-16 22:50:06
XXCoder
cam I think was major worked on spot
2017-09-16 22:50:11
XXCoder
as well as some changes
2017-09-16 22:50:27
XXCoder
I really hope cam becomes actually usable and more clear workflow
2017-09-17 00:16:18
FreeCADBot3
(normandc) @knutselsmurf as @kkremitzki later explained, there was a quite disruptive change added to PartDesign this week that wreak havoc on many other workbenches, including TechDraw. This should get fixed soonish.
2017-09-17 00:18:14
FreeCADBot3
(normandc) @linex basically yes, the huge changes brought by PartDesign is basically what's delayed release of 0.17. It could not be released in the state it's in right now, there are too many issues.
2017-09-17 00:21:16
FreeCADBot3
(normandc) @linex FYI, in all previous FreeCAD releases, the maximum number of new commits for a release was around 2,000. For 0.17 compared to 0.16, we're now at 5,400 commits added and still counting. Yes, it's going to be huge, for many workbenches: PartDesign, FEM, Path, and others...
2017-09-17 01:25:42
FreeCADBot3
(kkremitzki) All of the Path WB improvements are making me want to get some CNC machines
2017-09-17 01:38:19
XXCoder
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2017-09-17 15:58:01
PLC
Hi there :)
2017-09-17 18:19:25
vlt
GeitMint_: Thank you. Sometimes selecting the objects doesnât change anything. Almost all icons are grayed out. Closing and re-opeing FreeCAD helped instantly. I have no idea what Iâm doing wrong :-)
2017-09-17 18:22:05
GeitMint_
part workbench has the same issue
2017-09-17 18:22:26
GeitMint_
you sometimes need to close a sketch and reopen it to select stuff
2017-09-17 18:26:56
GeitMint_
part design i ment
2017-09-17 18:29:48
linex
If I have 2 (1cm by 1cm by 10cm) stick. And they are joined like letter T but upside down. Now the weak point is the two 90% corners where the two sticks meet, right ?
2017-09-17 18:30:55
linex
I do not have engineering background so I do not know whats the correct term.
2017-09-17 18:31:25
GeitMint_
yeah, some addition material in the corners should increase strenght alot
2017-09-17 18:31:41
linex
So I want to strengthen that part, what are my choices ?
2017-09-17 18:32:29
linex
GeitMint_: like a chamfer ?
2017-09-17 18:33:31
linex
GeitMint_: or a fillet , yes ?
2017-09-17 18:34:31
GeitMint_
yeah
2017-09-17 18:34:53
linex
GeitMint_: Ok thanks
2017-09-17 18:35:47
GeitMint_
it is the smallest way to add support.
2017-09-17 18:36:49
linex
GeitMint_: yeah I think I should keep it simple for now and see it its good enough, its not like I am building a building.
2017-09-17 18:36:56
GeitMint_
basically the more material you add to the edges the stronger it gets
2017-09-17 18:38:37
GeitMint_
of course mostly only for forces going sideways
2017-09-17 18:38:57
linex
GeitMint_: yep .. makes sense
2017-09-17 18:39:16
linex
GeitMint_: I am 3D printing.
2017-09-17 18:39:24
GeitMint_
yeah, me, too.
2017-09-17 18:39:45
linex
GeitMint_: You did assume I was 3D printing ?
2017-09-17 18:39:47
GeitMint_
just to not go to high on the infill. 100% is less strong than 75%
2017-09-17 18:40:25
GeitMint_
-to +do
2017-09-17 18:40:39
linex
GeitMint_: good that you mention that, I was under the impression 100% would be stronger.
2017-09-17 18:41:24
GeitMint_
it for sure depends on the material used, but usually 100% makes it easy to break.
2017-09-17 18:41:54
GeitMint_
the zick zack infill redirects the bending forces from the outside in different directions
2017-09-17 18:42:19
linex
GeitMint_: I am guessing like with 100% its more brittle, or its tensility is less ?
2017-09-17 18:42:31
linex
GeitMint_: ah ok
2017-09-17 18:43:39
GeitMint_
sometimes it is more worth playing with different infills and infill orientation than with the percentage it self.
2017-09-17 18:44:38
GeitMint_
like using hex infill instead of squares or just zick zack lines.
2017-09-17 18:45:24
GeitMint_
usually the square one is quite ok, but you may gain more strength with other types.
2017-09-17 18:46:11
GeitMint_
I build most parts with 15 to 20% infill and they become quite strong already.
2017-09-17 18:47:07
GeitMint_
I use 100% only for small objects with thin walls. And for transparent printing of course
2017-09-17 18:47:57
linex
GeitMint_: will try the zig zag, I think its the default on Cura.
2017-09-17 18:49:17
linex
GeitMint_: Are you familiar with other 3D softwares, proprietry ones ?
2017-09-17 18:50:46
linex
GeitMint_: I hv never used any, just wondering how FreeCAD compared to them.
2017-09-17 18:51:29
GeitMint_
I tried some others, but FreeCAD is the best if you find out how to deal with it.
2017-09-17 18:51:59
GeitMint_
OpenSCAD is nice. Kind of a programming language. Close to C.
2017-09-17 18:52:43
GeitMint_
but for complex objects it gets hard. especially if you are not used to have a look in mind.
2017-09-17 18:52:56
GeitMint_
and of course some programming experience is nice.
2017-09-17 18:53:01
GeitMint_
blender is complicated.
2017-09-17 18:54:36
GeitMint_
Otherstuff like TinkerCad are sort of freek, but I found them "to simple". Maybe I did not investigated it long enough, but if you used to use sketches it is hard to get into a drag and drop UI.
2017-09-17 18:55:27
GeitMint_
FreeCAD is nice. You simply measure stuff, create a sketch, extrude and add the next part onto the result.
2017-09-17 18:56:10
GeitMint_
I mostly use only the part design workbench as it gives kind of full control.
2017-09-17 18:56:46
GeitMint_
with part stuff you are closer to the drag and drop stuff. moving objects around and place them.
2017-09-17 18:57:30
GeitMint_
good for simply things for sure, but I would always return to part design and 2d sketches
2017-09-17 19:11:50
linex
GeitMint_: me too. Part design workbench is what I use most.
2017-09-17 19:16:53
GeitMint_
the only thing I did not get until yesterday was the correct workflow.
2017-09-17 19:17:09
GeitMint_
this invisbile link between operations
2017-09-17 19:24:13
nilsson
GeitMint_, out of curiosity, what slicer do you use, and what printer?
2017-09-17 19:25:55
GeitMint_
just a pimped AnetA8 and Cura
2017-09-17 19:29:42
nilsson
does the anet have an acrylic or metal frame?
2017-09-17 19:30:21
GeitMint_
acrylic frame, but I printed alot of stuff to improve stability
2017-09-17 19:30:34
nilsson
I've got a monoprice maker select, and I also modified it a lot
2017-09-17 19:39:18
GeitMint_
I started 3d printing in Juli
2017-09-17 19:40:11
GeitMint_
and found a kit would be the best to start. You learn about any part and any screw, which helps understanding how it works and being able to fix stuff on your own.
2017-09-17 19:41:25
linex
GeitMint_: I am on Anet A6
2017-09-17 19:41:41
linex
GeitMint_: your printer and mine are cousins
2017-09-17 19:44:10
linex
GeitMint_: About freecad, if I have two flat surface on top of each other and I map a sketch on top of the top surface and then do a pocket, it does not go through the bottom surface.
2017-09-17 19:44:51
linex
GeitMint_: but I remember I tinkered once before and I have made it to go through both but I do not remember how.
2017-09-17 19:45:12
linex
GeitMint_: or maybe my memory playing tricks on me.
2017-09-17 19:46:12
GeitMint_
thats the issue i solved yesterday once and forever
2017-09-17 19:46:34
GeitMint_
the problem is the invisible workflow hidden in the lister on the left side
2017-09-17 19:46:39
nilsson
linex, the pocket tool has a dropdown where you can select "through all"
2017-09-17 19:46:53
GeitMint_
or that.
2017-09-17 19:46:58
GeitMint_
:D
2017-09-17 19:47:02
linex
ah yes,
2017-09-17 19:47:08
nilsson
well, I'm on v0.16, not sure what version you're using
2017-09-17 19:47:12
linex
forgot shit
2017-09-17 19:47:20
linex
0.16
2017-09-17 19:47:43
linex
feels so amateurish now
2017-09-17 19:47:50
GeitMint_
i tried 0.17 yesterday. It looks quite the same. at least on part design I did not find any mayor difference
2017-09-17 19:48:17
linex
GeitMint_: really
2017-09-17 19:48:47
nilsson
yeah, I need to install OCCT 7.2 and then start building freecad from source
2017-09-17 19:48:55
linex
GeitMint_: thats not quite I expected
2017-09-17 19:49:25
nilsson
but I think there's file format instability right now in 0.17dev
2017-09-17 19:49:47
linex
yeah I was told
2017-09-17 19:50:06
linex
its been mention in this channel quite a few times
2017-09-17 19:50:11
GeitMint_
well, I only looked basically into the part design to find a solution for my problem.
2017-09-17 19:50:36
linex
sad to hear thats there not much improvement to part design
2017-09-17 19:50:41
GeitMint_
other parts have for sure being improved. and many stuff is usually invisible in software development, as I know first place :d
2017-09-17 19:50:53
linex
i guess
2017-09-17 19:50:58
GeitMint_
http://www.geit.de/tmp/AnetWorkstation.jpg
2017-09-17 19:51:09
nilsson
have you looked at the freecad file format? it's basically a zip with an XML file, and some brep files
2017-09-17 19:52:08
GeitMint_
thats for most modern files. ebooks are the same
2017-09-17 19:52:15
linex
i hope they have better or simply asssembly and animation
2017-09-17 19:53:06
linex
actually I have no complains because part design as it is right is quite sufficient for me
2017-09-17 19:53:11
nilsson
yeah, a better assembly/animation wirkbench would be great
2017-09-17 19:53:58
GeitMint_
I just need to find out how to close a hole with 3 lines.
2017-09-17 19:54:14
nilsson
there's an old feature request for the Sketcher where fully constrained elements would change color, so you can tell what you have left to constrained. that would be great
2017-09-17 19:54:23
linex
GeitMint_: thats an awesome Anet A8
2017-09-17 19:54:49
linex
nilsson: that would be nice
2017-09-17 19:55:08
linex
sometimes I wonder whats else to constraint
2017-09-17 19:55:36
GeitMint_
yeah, always pulling on lines and dots to find the loose element sucks
2017-09-17 19:55:37
nilsson
yeah, for complex sketches, it's a complete mystery
2017-09-17 19:56:43
GeitMint_
sometimes freecad adds a constraint for a new line. e.g. straight line and then it complains about a double constrain because of that new one
2017-09-17 19:56:47
GeitMint_
thats annoying
2017-09-17 19:58:00
linex
haha .. that one is annoying
2017-09-17 19:59:33
GeitMint_
started printing ABS yesterday. In Simpsons AtomicWaste Green :D
2017-09-17 20:00:33
linex
nilsson: i just tried through all and it does not work. It has worked before I remember now.
2017-09-17 20:01:44
linex
I remember there is some criteria but I for got what .. anyway now that I know what it is , I can research it a bit more
2017-09-17 20:02:35
GeitMint_
while compiling 0.17 i noticed tons of "variable may be used undefined". I wonder why noone is fixing these. Those warnings are there for a reason. Even if the code is correct there could be some place where it is used undefined with a random outcome.
2017-09-17 20:27:19
nilsson
GeitMint_, freecad is a pretty big codebase that's about 10 years old with only a few part-time developers. considering how much c++ has changed, some parts need heavy refactoring
2017-09-17 20:28:23
nilsson
I don't think the qt4->5 transition is done, and qt6 is going to come out sometime next year
2017-09-17 20:53:20
linex
cannot find the reason why pocket through all not working for me on this particular model
2017-09-17 21:12:23
GeitMint_
it is the way you build the object.
2017-09-17 21:12:27
GeitMint_
the workflow issue
2017-09-17 21:12:56
GeitMint_
the reason is that you have to perform new steps in building objects in order
2017-09-17 21:13:12
GeitMint_
if you miss that step you run into issues.
2017-09-17 21:13:48
GeitMint_
it cuts not through, because the pocket is added at a step where the second block does not exit
2017-09-17 21:13:52
GeitMint_
exist
2017-09-17 21:14:26
GeitMint_
I was told yesterday where my mistake is.
2017-09-17 21:14:44
GeitMint_
look at the left list of operations.
2017-09-17 21:15:26
GeitMint_
freecad always links a new operation to the first part that is visible. (the small icon is bright)
2017-09-17 21:15:44
GeitMint_
even tho it adds the pocket to the end
2017-09-17 21:15:57
GeitMint_
remove the pocket.
2017-09-17 21:16:01
linex
I just tried sketch and pad block (A), then sketch and pad block (B), adjust the Z axis for B so that its on top of A. The create a sketch, map it to the surface of B. Made a circle in the sketch and pocket it through all.
2017-09-17 21:16:09
GeitMint_
disable all but the last thing in the list
2017-09-17 21:16:14
GeitMint_
now add the pocket
2017-09-17 21:16:15
linex
But it stopped at B
2017-09-17 21:16:42
GeitMint_
it is all about the little icons in the workflow list on the left.
2017-09-17 21:17:13
GeitMint_
before adding a new step pad, pocket, ... make sure only the last one is bright.
2017-09-17 21:17:27
GeitMint_
this will ensure the next element will be done to that state
2017-09-17 21:17:31
linex
1 sec
2017-09-17 21:18:19
GeitMint_
it would be much easier when freecad would add pad and pocket into a tree instead of dumping them in a linear ordered list
2017-09-17 21:19:02
GeitMint_
by disabling I mean selecting it and pressing space so the icon gets a little transparent
2017-09-17 21:21:31
linex
GeitMint_: trying ...
2017-09-17 21:21:52
GeitMint_
you can remove all pad/pocket entries and reuse the sketches
2017-09-17 21:22:02
GeitMint_
well, with loosing dependencies
2017-09-17 21:23:11
GeitMint_
if everything is done right, disabling the last entry will hide the entire object.
2017-09-17 21:23:28
linex
GeitMint_: not working for me but I do see the icon got a little transpaent when I press space
2017-09-17 21:24:17
GeitMint_
it should work if done right. Maybe there is some other wrong link between steps.
2017-09-17 21:24:34
linex
GeitMint_: when you say selecting it, it as in the last sketch that I drew a circle, right ?
2017-09-17 21:24:52
GeitMint_
the sketches do not matter.
2017-09-17 21:25:01
GeitMint_
you can turn them on and off like you with
2017-09-17 21:25:04
GeitMint_
wish
2017-09-17 21:25:09
linex
ok, then I am understanding it wrong
2017-09-17 21:25:11
GeitMint_
its the pad/pocket entry
2017-09-17 21:25:33
GeitMint_
those must be created top to down with always only the last one enabled.
2017-09-17 21:25:57
linex
last one is the bottom one ?
2017-09-17 21:26:04
GeitMint_
freecad does that automatically, but when turning on and of while editing you may have some other enable and the problems happen later on
2017-09-17 21:26:06
GeitMint_
yes
2017-09-17 21:26:28
linex
trying again
2017-09-17 21:26:29
GeitMint_
just understand each entry in the list as a state.
2017-09-17 21:27:18
GeitMint_
the first box ist state 1, the second box is state 2, which includes box 1 and the third is the hole. Done from state 2 so it goes though all
2017-09-17 21:27:53
GeitMint_
if you have enabled box1 when adding the pocket, you never cut through box2, because it never existed at that state.
2017-09-17 21:28:19
GeitMint_
FreeCad always add to the first enable state it seems
2017-09-17 21:29:32
linex
OK I think I understand now .. going in again
2017-09-17 21:30:01
GeitMint_
when you create a pad for box2, it will automatically disable the pad for box1. When you select pocket, it will automatically disable box2. So the last one is always enabled.
2017-09-17 21:30:31
GeitMint_
it only causes trouble if one manually deletes entries inbetween or disables operations by hand
2017-09-17 21:31:05
GeitMint_
I made the same mistake over and over until yesterday, when I asked here where the problem is.
2017-09-17 21:32:16
GeitMint_
depending on the face you select to perform a pocket, you may need to select reverse in the pocket setup or it will cut into the wrong direction
2017-09-17 21:34:00
linex
GeitMint_: but box1 and box2 are from different sketches
2017-09-17 21:34:23
GeitMint_
sure they are
2017-09-17 21:34:53
linex
you had the same problem ?
2017-09-17 21:35:10
GeitMint_
yeah with some complex object.
2017-09-17 21:35:38
linex
so you select the boxes with Ctrl and a click , right >?
2017-09-17 21:35:59
GeitMint_
err, no in the list.
2017-09-17 21:36:02
linex
can we start step by step
2017-09-17 21:36:07
GeitMint_
sure
2017-09-17 21:36:17
GeitMint_
you have a sketch
2017-09-17 21:36:24
linex
I have Pad and PAd001 now.
2017-09-17 21:36:33
GeitMint_
ok
2017-09-17 21:36:42
linex
what next
2017-09-17 21:37:11
GeitMint_
make sure the icon of pad001 is enabled and the pad one is transparent
2017-09-17 21:38:12
GeitMint_
i assume you have a sketch for the hole or do we need to create that?
2017-09-17 21:38:29
linex
GeitMint_: when I click oh Pad and press space, the object itself is gone, like its hidden.
2017-09-17 21:38:48
linex
I deleted the sketch of the hole
2017-09-17 21:39:04
GeitMint_
no need to. sketches arent the problem here.
2017-09-17 21:39:15
linex
ok
2017-09-17 21:39:26
GeitMint_
enabling/disabling pad should not do anything.
2017-09-17 21:39:30
linex
about Pad , its gone, its ok ?
2017-09-17 21:39:46
linex
I am seeing on Padd001 now
2017-09-17 21:39:52
linex
I am seeing only Padd001 now
2017-09-17 21:40:06
GeitMint_
yeah, there is your problem.
2017-09-17 21:40:16
GeitMint_
delete pad001
2017-09-17 21:40:23
linex
ok 1 sec
2017-09-17 21:40:31
linex
deleted
2017-09-17 21:40:42
GeitMint_
make sure pad is visible (icon on)
2017-09-17 21:40:53
linex
and deleted sketch001 too
2017-09-17 21:41:11
GeitMint_
as i said you can keep the sketches.
2017-09-17 21:41:14
linex
Ok, its visible
2017-09-17 21:41:26
GeitMint_
now create a sketch for pad001
2017-09-17 21:41:32
linex
1 sec
2017-09-17 21:41:58
linex
done but i did pad it yet
2017-09-17 21:42:02
linex
did not
2017-09-17 21:42:12
linex
should i pad it
2017-09-17 21:42:29
linex
or not yet >
2017-09-17 21:42:30
linex
?
2017-09-17 21:42:41
GeitMint_
ok, so you have pad (visible), pad sketch and pad001 sketch
2017-09-17 21:42:54
linex
exactly
2017-09-17 21:43:01
GeitMint_
select pad001 and hit pad
2017-09-17 21:43:27
linex
hold on
2017-09-17 21:43:30
GeitMint_
now pad001 appears (visible) and pad got disabled
2017-09-17 21:43:38
linex
hold on
2017-09-17 21:43:50
linex
click on pad001
2017-09-17 21:44:01
linex
and how do I hit pad ?
2017-09-17 21:44:17
GeitMint_
heh, i ment create a pad after selecting the sketch, sorry
2017-09-17 21:44:38
linex
oh oh sorry
2017-09-17 21:44:52
linex
done
2017-09-17 21:44:54
GeitMint_
now pad001 appears (visible) and pad got disabled
2017-09-17 21:45:25
linex
not true
2017-09-17 21:45:40
linex
pad still visible
2017-09-17 21:45:53
GeitMint_
yes, in 3d view, but not in the list
2017-09-17 21:46:27
linex
normal icon in the list
2017-09-17 21:47:46
GeitMint_
1 sec
2017-09-17 21:48:35
GeitMint_
ah, i see. i guess you did not build on box onto the other
2017-09-17 21:49:00
linex
two independent sketches
2017-09-17 21:49:23
GeitMint_
yes, but you created the second one on xy,yz or zx
2017-09-17 21:49:32
GeitMint_
and not onto the pevious build box
2017-09-17 21:49:58
GeitMint_
+r
2017-09-17 21:50:21
linex
GeitMint_: onto as in map to sketch to surface ?
2017-09-17 21:50:27
GeitMint_
yes
2017-09-17 21:50:35
linex
oh OH
2017-09-17 21:50:40
linex
1 sec
2017-09-17 21:50:49
GeitMint_
you can map it now
2017-09-17 21:50:55
GeitMint_
without redoing.
2017-09-17 21:52:26
GeitMint_
basically work like this. sketch on xy or other, pad, sketch on surface, pad, sketch on surface, pocket
2017-09-17 21:52:35
GeitMint_
so you build up one object
2017-09-17 21:53:23
GeitMint_
avoid bulding a seconds object into thin air unless you know what you are doing
2017-09-17 21:53:27
GeitMint_
-s
2017-09-17 21:54:51
kion
has anybody compiled successfully under Debian Stretch?
2017-09-17 21:54:52
linex
Omg
2017-09-17 21:55:15
GeitMint_
just umbuntu
2017-09-17 21:55:16
linex
Got it working. I had to disable Pad001
2017-09-17 21:55:41
GeitMint_
err, no you dont :
2017-09-17 21:55:59
linex
no no
2017-09-17 21:56:05
linex
diabled PAd
2017-09-17 21:56:22
linex
I just deleted the Pocket and I saw I actually disabled Pad
2017-09-17 21:57:01
GeitMint_
yeah, as i said. disable all but the last entry when performing a non sketch action
2017-09-17 21:57:07
linex
I hope they do away with this and let through all mean through all
2017-09-17 21:57:18
GeitMint_
or your entire object will be messed up.
2017-09-17 21:57:51
GeitMint_
by ordering the entrie list as a complete tree it would look logical
2017-09-17 21:58:07
GeitMint_
currently you cannot see how the objects are linked.
2017-09-17 21:58:14
linex
yes I see what you are saying
2017-09-17 21:58:22
linex
so one can order them
2017-09-17 21:58:44
GeitMint_
each entry in the list is a time stamp if you will. The last one represents the *entrie* object.
2017-09-17 21:58:48
GeitMint_
right now
2017-09-17 21:59:05
GeitMint_
entire
2017-09-17 21:59:52
linex
ok now I am going back to my real model and apply this
2017-09-17 22:00:07
linex
thanks GeitMint_for the time and explanation.
2017-09-17 22:00:14
GeitMint_
so make sure you just add stuff while the last is enabled to avoid any problems. If you remove e.g. box2 it will fail bigtime.
2017-09-17 22:00:24
GeitMint_
np. I learned it just yeterday
2017-09-17 22:00:26
GeitMint_
+s
2017-09-17 22:00:46
linex
Hope you gain a thousand more times the knowledge you shared
2017-09-17 22:01:24
GeitMint_
if you disable the last entry and all others are off, the object should vanish.
2017-09-17 22:01:43
GeitMint_
enabling stuff in the past is useless anyway
2017-09-17 22:01:57
linex
which object would vanish ?
2017-09-17 22:02:05
nilsson
that's the one thing I find obtuse about the freecad workflow
2017-09-17 22:02:28
GeitMint_
all. Thats the confusing part. It say pocket in your case, but that entry is box1, box2 and pocket combined
2017-09-17 22:02:45
linex
sounds dangerous
2017-09-17 22:02:56
GeitMint_
the box2 (pad001) entry is pad and pad001
2017-09-17 22:03:09
GeitMint_
see it like a lego book
2017-09-17 22:03:46
GeitMint_
if you turn on page 12 then they show you the result of 1-11 plus the new stuff
2017-09-17 22:04:24
linex
in my case pad001 was on top and pad was below, what if it was the othe way around
2017-09-17 22:04:42
linex
pad on top and pad001 below ?
2017-09-17 22:04:56
linex
so I disable pad001 in this case, right ?
2017-09-17 22:05:14
linex
because I would have map against pad
2017-09-17 22:05:28
linex
because I would have map the sketch with the circle against pad
2017-09-17 22:05:37
GeitMint_
well, you cannot fix a wrong order without redoing all pad/pockes. You always must have a proper build order.
2017-09-17 22:06:18
GeitMint_
box 2 sits on a face of box 1, so box1 must exist
2017-09-17 22:06:36
GeitMint_
then you cut a hole because both exist
2017-09-17 22:07:10
GeitMint_
doing the hole first would fail because nothing exists.
2017-09-17 22:07:23
linex
"box 2 sits on a face of box 1, so box1 must exist" <-- somehow this line gave me an aha moment
2017-09-17 22:07:44
linex
GeitMint_: I understand it better now
2017-09-17 22:07:55
linex
nicely put
2017-09-17 22:08:10
GeitMint_
the main issue is freecad here. It has no indicater which entry is connected
2017-09-17 22:08:34
GeitMint_
you may have pad, pad001, pocket, but it may be inked pad, pocket, pad001.
2017-09-17 22:08:37
GeitMint_
linked
2017-09-17 22:09:00
linex
which makes no sense
2017-09-17 22:09:05
GeitMint_
thats why it is important to only enable the last entry before adding a pad, pocket or what ever
2017-09-17 22:09:18
GeitMint_
so the order you see is the order you get
2017-09-17 22:10:38
GeitMint_
and since each entry is a step in time (like the lego pages), disabling the last disables all, because the last entry is the current state of the model and not just a pad or pocket
2017-09-17 22:11:33
GeitMint_
it is actually quit logical once you know it, but the UI and the handling is quite bad.
2017-09-17 22:12:00
GeitMint_
99% of the problems would be gone if new operations would always linked to the last entry
2017-09-17 22:12:09
GeitMint_
and not the first enabled one.
2017-09-17 22:12:46
GeitMint_
I guess it was designed to get more features, which are not yet available.
2017-09-17 22:13:10
GeitMint_
and so the current state has this booby trap
2017-09-17 22:13:43
GeitMint_
the bad part is that you may destroy a complex model by doing something wrong in the first five minutes.
2017-09-17 22:14:08
linex
won't a undo work ?
2017-09-17 22:14:48
GeitMint_
sure, but it won´t help if you undo 4 hours of work because of a accidential activated object within the first 5 minute
2017-09-17 22:14:49
GeitMint_
s
2017-09-17 22:15:18
GeitMint_
the only way to redo the order is to kill all pad, pocket, .. operations and reapply them.
2017-09-17 22:15:25
GeitMint_
from sketches.
2017-09-17 22:15:49
GeitMint_
this causes the lost of sketch dependencies which you need to fix again and so on
2017-09-17 22:16:39
GeitMint_
and you need to know the pad sizes, ...
2017-09-17 22:17:12
GeitMint_
thats painful. Ive bin there yesterday with some small model of 10 operations.
2017-09-17 22:18:48
GeitMint_
you also cannot remove a pad or pocket operation afterwards. It will break the time line.
2017-09-17 22:22:06
GeitMint_
so if you deceide hours in work you want to remove the pad you did in step 3, better add a pad at the end to cover it up
2017-09-17 22:22:59
GeitMint_
its kind of like working with wood. You can glue it back together, but never undo anything you did in the past
2017-09-17 22:23:59
nilsson
you can in freecad, it's just a pain in the butt
2017-09-17 22:26:05
GeitMint_
yeah, use use the glue stick err pad function :D
2017-09-17 22:26:41
GeitMint_
but the entire sketch thingy is great.
2017-09-17 22:27:15
GeitMint_
you take real world objects, put the measures into sketches and extrude them.
2017-09-17 22:31:34
GeitMint_
but I am still a beginner with freecad, too.
2017-09-17 22:31:55
GeitMint_
still searching for a way to close this gap: http://www.geit.de/tmp/hole.jpg
2017-09-17 22:38:05
nilsson
which gap?
2017-09-17 22:39:20
GeitMint_
well basically the highlighted face
2017-09-17 22:40:48
nilsson
did you cut too deep?
2017-09-17 22:41:36
GeitMint_
no, the cut is intentional. It is the nose part of a 3d glass cover.
2017-09-17 22:42:09
GeitMint_
I simply cannot fill the area inside, because there will be a battery.
2017-09-17 22:42:36
GeitMint_
so closing the surface and give it some thickness would do
2017-09-17 22:43:37
GeitMint_
I tried the "Regelfläche" ((no clue about the english name) function in part workbench, which does kind of what I want, but onyl with 2 lines.
2017-09-17 22:43:46
nilsson
I can't really visualize it from that 1 picture, but maybe the shell command will help
2017-09-17 22:47:02
GeitMint_
well, need to do a test print anyway and there the hole comes in handy.
2017-09-17 23:07:56
mlopezviedma
hi all! I just wanted to send you devs thumbs up. I'm learning to use freecad a lot faster than I thought I would. Very powerful and intuitive!
2017-09-18 10:35:50
linex
Looks like my prints has improved using Cura 2.7
2017-09-18 12:15:02
linex
I got a situation. In one sketch I got two separate blocks, blockA and blockB. In another sketch I drew two circle, one on each block. Then I map to sketch but I can only map to sketch to the surface of only one block. So I did it and then pocket. Result is one of my block disappears.
2017-09-18 12:16:19
linex
Is it bad practice to create separate objects in a sketch ?
2017-09-18 12:28:56
Gegsite
part design is ment to be 1 part
2017-09-18 12:48:24
linex
Gegsite: I see. But it allows multiple parts to be created. I guess its not good practice but given the choice if needed.
2017-09-18 13:05:34
GeitMint__
you can do that, but i suggest to create group for each object in tree.
2017-09-18 13:05:58
GeitMint__
and you need manualy select the one you want to add a new operation, too
2017-09-18 13:07:21
GeitMint__
but it get confusing at time, so better build one object at once
2017-09-18 13:08:13
linex
GeitMint__: yeah I run into this kind of issues quite a bit so I realize that having two separate objects in one sketch can be troublesome .
2017-09-18 13:09:04
linex
Maybe it should be advised in a best practice tutorial.
2017-09-18 14:07:29
sliptonic
!seen yorik
2017-09-18 17:29:21
sliptonic
Hi yorik: Do you know if PIL/Pillow is a dependency of FC?
2017-09-18 17:29:48
yorik
Hi sliptonic never heard of that?
2017-09-18 17:29:56
sliptonic
Python Image Library
2017-09-18 17:29:57
yorik
I don't think it is
2017-09-18 17:30:01
yorik
oh okay
2017-09-18 17:30:11
yorik
no it isn't AFAIK
2017-09-18 17:30:19
sliptonic
Do you know how the image workbench does it's thing with images?
2017-09-18 17:30:35
yorik
I believe it's all QT
2017-09-18 17:30:58
yorik
or maybe even pure Coin
2017-09-18 17:31:17
yorik
what is it you need to do?
2017-09-18 17:31:20
sliptonic
I'm looking at rastering images with the laser and need to get individual pixels. Easy with PIL but not sure how to do it without. I don't want to add a new (big) dependency.
2017-09-18 17:33:12
yorik
"Qt provides four classes for handling image data: QImage, QPixmap, QBitmap and QPicture. QImage is designed and optimized for I/O, and for direct pixel access and manipulation"
2017-09-18 17:33:16
yorik
http://doc.qt.io/qt-4.8/qimage.html
2017-09-18 17:33:26
yorik
I think you might have what you need there
2017-09-18 17:33:45
sliptonic
Cool. I'll check it. Thanks.
2017-09-18 17:34:12
yorik
yeah there are many pixel-related functions
2017-09-18 18:58:16
linex
I never use chamfer, always use fillet. I tried chamfer for the first time and I realize it actually cuts into my object instead of adding support.
2017-09-18 18:59:33
linex
So I actually want the ooposite of chamfer.
2017-09-18 19:01:42
linex
ok i understand why nvm
2017-09-18 19:16:38
GeitMint__
for inner edges yes, for outer fillet will remove material, too
2017-09-18 19:43:15
haxmeister
good afternoon
2017-09-18 19:43:29
haxmeister
anybody here familiar with the path workbench?
2017-09-18 19:47:29
haxmeister
seems to be spitting metric positional data in the gcode but I'm operating in imperial
2017-09-18 19:48:56
haxmeister
also it generates an error when I try to select a tool for the pocket
2017-09-18 20:19:36
sliptonic
Hi haxmeister
2017-09-18 20:20:03
sliptonic
What do you mean metric data in the gcode? Are you talking about in the inspect window or in your postprocessed output?
2017-09-18 21:25:09
haxmeister
sliptonic: both
2017-09-18 21:25:50
sliptonic
haxmeister: I haven't done much with imperial for a while. I'll take a look tonight.
2017-09-18 21:28:02
haxmeister
sliptonic: ok.. it is not honoring tool data also.. won't let me select a tool number in the pocket object.
2017-09-18 21:29:05
haxmeister
sliptonic: it lets me select it but gives error has no attribute ToolNumber
2017-09-18 21:30:34
sliptonic
haxmeister: you don't set the tool number in the pocket. From the pocket (or any op) you select a tool controller. The TC identifies the tool and the tool number as well as feed and speed
2017-09-18 21:30:51
sliptonic
So make sure your TC has a valid tool number
2017-09-18 21:35:34
haxmeister
don't see a tool controller..
2017-09-18 21:35:41
haxmeister
maybe my version is to old?
2017-09-18 21:36:53
haxmeister
FreeCAD 0.16 and revision number 6712(Git)
2017-09-18 21:39:07
sliptonic
Oh good golly molly. That's old. Path in v0.16 is almost entirely unusable.
2017-09-18 21:39:47
sliptonic
We're at git commit 12000+ now.
2017-09-18 21:40:01
XXCoder
but 0.17 file save format isnt stable yet
2017-09-18 21:40:10
XXCoder
I dont plan to use 17 till it is
2017-09-18 21:41:34
sliptonic
XXCoder: recreating Path operations usually isn't too big of a deal. Recreating our designs, though..Yeah, I hear you.
2017-09-18 21:57:02
haxmeister
ok.. is 0.17 out with a stable version yet?
2017-09-18 21:58:00
haxmeister
crap.. I'm on windows at work.. kind of a bummer
2017-09-18 21:59:20
haxmeister
sliptonic: is FreeCAD_0.17.12124_x64_dev_win.7z reasonable?
2017-09-18 22:02:47
haxmeister
well.. I'm glad to hear there is a lot of work put into 0.17 .. the software is already pretty nice, having the path workbench working better will mean I can use this professionally
2017-09-18 22:03:04
haxmeister
currently I've been making drawings at work already
2017-09-18 22:06:57
haxmeister
6000 committs behind though... wow
2017-09-18 22:12:39
sliptonic
0.17 is not released yet.
2017-09-18 22:12:48
sliptonic
Very many big changes in it
2017-09-18 22:13:03
sliptonic
I believe there are windows builds regularly but I'm a linux guy.
2017-09-18 22:13:18
sliptonic
about to step out for a few hours but will be back on later this evening.
2017-09-18 22:19:09
haxmeister
ok ty sliptonic
2017-09-18 22:24:01
haxmeister
0.17 still not honoring imperial.. maybe I should check/file a proper bug report
2017-09-18 23:05:13
troffasky
trying out: https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Manual:BIM_modeling
2017-09-18 23:05:56
troffasky
when I change a line into a wall, it basically means the dimensions I've been entering are the external dimensions
2017-09-18 23:07:49
troffasky
is there a way to make this into internal dimensions after changing the line into a wall?
2017-09-18 23:19:05
troffasky
"You will obtain four intersecting walls, on the inside of the baselines" - I suppose my question is, how do I get the walls on the outside of the baselines?
2017-09-19 04:37:03
sliptonic
haxmeister: It looks like linuxcnc post never got the imperial fix.
2017-09-19 04:37:06
sliptonic
I've patched it.
2017-09-19 04:37:22
sliptonic
I'll send a pull request in the next couple days.
2017-09-19 04:37:44
sliptonic
If you want me to email you a copy of the post to test, PM an email address
2017-09-19 11:56:12
linex
I notice FEM got a lot lot lot of commits. I have never used FEM workbench, don't even know what it stands for and what it is used for and by whom.
2017-09-19 11:57:11
vlt
https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/FEM_Module
2017-09-19 12:00:50
linex
Finite element analysis (FEA) is a computerized method for predicting how a product reacts to real-world forces, vibration, heat, fluid flow, and other physical effects. Finite element analysis shows whether a product will break, wear out, or work the way it was designed
2017-09-19 12:01:43
linex
Wow. Serious stuff. No wonder lots of love got into it. Engineers need it.
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