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2017-02-06 14:19:04
FreeCADBot
(agryson) Going to https://www.freecadweb.org/tracker/signup_page.php shows the captcha for me @kkremitzki , presuming you're talking about the https issue we had with it a while back?
2017-02-06 14:34:38
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) Exactly, it looks like it's been resolved
2017-02-06 18:51:11
i8igmac
can i take a object and flip with 180%... i need the top to now be the bottem
2017-02-06 18:51:26
i8igmac
z axes
2017-02-06 19:06:18
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @ianrrees - finally had a chance to gin up a 3 minute video comparing FreeCAD Qt4 to FreeCAD Qt5 on macOS - check out the video https://youtu.be/vGJq-l0M-9U and the related forum post https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19724&p=158475#p158475 when you have a chance.
2017-02-06 19:06:35
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) was just reading your forum post :)
2017-02-06 19:06:40
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) :)
2017-02-06 19:08:00
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) that's a nice screen you've got
2017-02-06 19:08:03
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Note, if you want to test the Qt5 build yourself, you need to delete any previous verion of the FreeCAD app installed in /usr/local. Looks like our bundler leaves a few /usr/local/FreeCAD.app rpaths behind.
2017-02-06 19:09:56
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Nothing too special - just the iMac 27” built-in Retina display but yes, nice real-estate ;)
2017-02-06 19:10:29
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) I can't remember the details, but there are some fundamental problems with the Qt 4.8 OpenGL widget on MacOS
2017-02-06 19:11:04
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) so we should probably get that updated to the new one before worrying too much about the scaling
2017-02-06 19:11:05
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Hence why it would be nice to move to Qt5 ;)
2017-02-06 19:11:10
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) yeah, exactly
2017-02-06 19:11:23
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) This will avoid me to learn Qt4 ;)
2017-02-06 19:11:54
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Right now though, if you just launch the Qt5 app, it is totally borked unless you launch it from the command line with QT_SCALE_FACTOR=0.5.
2017-02-06 19:12:19
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) And then all the icons and menus are teensy...
2017-02-06 19:12:30
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) But at least it becomes usable at that point.
2017-02-06 19:13:24
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) I think if we can solve the issue of overriding the scale factor externally, that Qt5 may be good enough to set as the default.
2017-02-06 19:15:53
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @vejmarie - anything to help ;). I noticed in reviewing the cmake files that Linux includes certain performance mods that we aren’t using on the mac. Things like parallel vtk. I believe all the dependencies are available on macOS and that the author (I believe werner), simply defaulted to off on Windows and Apple because he couldn’t verify it. I know you have been working on STEP performance loading but should we try to raise t
2017-02-06 19:15:53
FreeCADBot
Linux for other “configurations/libraries”?
2017-02-06 19:16:27
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) yep I think we shall.
2017-02-06 19:16:43
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) by the way will you be in the bay by the end of next week ?
2017-02-06 19:16:49
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) (that is because I'll be there)
2017-02-06 19:18:32
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) @vejmarie I saw your post on linuxfr, it's interesting you mentioned wanting to do something with Elmer for GSoC, I had been looking at it as well for multi-physics stuff
2017-02-06 19:19:05
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @vejmarie - surprising yes! Want to try to meet?
2017-02-06 19:19:25
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Looking for Werner’s vtk commit - thought I had it written down somewhere.
2017-02-06 19:22:38
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @vejmarie - for example https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/commit/f7c88e927cdd9b487662f9ac0d52346e4008bc90
2017-02-06 19:23:07
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) @kurt you speak french ?
2017-02-06 19:24:28
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) Only a little, I was in Besançon this summer studying math for a month and also took some classes at the centre for applied linguistics there
2017-02-06 19:25:05
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) last summer I suppose
2017-02-06 19:27:26
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) I'd be keen to see Elmer support in FreeCAD
2017-02-06 19:27:27
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) I also got to spend a few days at the Université Pierre-et-Marie-Curie which was really awesome
2017-02-06 19:27:53
FreeCADBot
(agryson) I studied right by there!
2017-02-06 19:28:24
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) @ianrrees do you know if Elmer would be the best way to get general kinematics support into FreeCAD or do you know of another library that might be better?
2017-02-06 19:28:27
FreeCADBot
(agryson) My math and chemistry courses were on Rue Ulm
2017-02-06 19:28:27
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) have been thinking about making a gerber (circuit board drawing format) importer, but wouldn't have much to use it for until we had a finite element solver that could do magnetics
2017-02-06 19:28:42
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) I think it probably depends on what you mean by kinematics
2017-02-06 19:29:08
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) right now the FEM stuff basically takes a CAD object as input, then turns it in to a mesh
2017-02-06 19:29:32
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) AFAIK, that's a one-way-street
2017-02-06 19:30:42
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) but, I'd imagine most interpretations of kinematics would involve CAD objects interacting (all that said, I've never done anything with kinematics, so could be totally off base)
2017-02-06 19:30:46
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) Hah, that's definitely true, for example something that can run a simulation of a four-bar linkage
2017-02-06 19:38:53
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) hey UPMC ;)
2017-02-06 19:39:20
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) @ianrrees I started to discuss with the guy at KiCAD
2017-02-06 19:39:43
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) this was just a small introduction on how we could leverage there output to create a thermal simulation tool inside FreeCAD
2017-02-06 19:39:47
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) @agryson I'm totally jealous, until university I grew up in a town of 3000 so being in the middle of Paris was amazing
2017-02-06 19:40:18
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) yeah, I thought about that (also use KiCAD), but figure that for a start it's a better plan to make a gerber importer
2017-02-06 19:40:22
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) @bblacey yes It will be great to meet during my next trip, I'll be there for a week
2017-02-06 19:40:29
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) because all PCB design tools make gerber
2017-02-06 19:40:38
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) and it's a pretty simple format
2017-02-06 19:40:40
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) so with Elmer it would be possible to do e.g. thermal and/or magnetic analysis of circuit boards? with that gerber importer?
2017-02-06 19:40:41
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) KiCAD is exporting STEP file
2017-02-06 19:40:59
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) I am discussing with them to see where we stick with the "material" characteristic
2017-02-06 19:41:04
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) either in FreeCAD or KiCAD
2017-02-06 19:41:07
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) ahh, good to hear
2017-02-06 19:41:09
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) if the STEP importer is correct
2017-02-06 19:41:21
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) we might rely on it for a thermal simulation and mesh generation
2017-02-06 19:41:31
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) but we needed first to be able to manage the assembly
2017-02-06 19:41:42
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) now you know why I spent so much time trying to make work the STEP importer ;)
2017-02-06 19:42:00
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) haven't played with the KiCAD STEP exporter, will have a look
2017-02-06 19:42:09
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) Accelerating the rendering is a requirement because generated mesh will contain a huge amount of cells
2017-02-06 19:42:14
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) which will have to be displayed
2017-02-06 19:42:20
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) sure
2017-02-06 19:42:42
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) this will be a 3D mesh not only a solid one, as we have to mesh also the environment
2017-02-06 19:43:57
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) @kkremitzki - those are the main items, yes. But, there would be a lot of small items required too (eg adding constraints for voltages/currents/etc).
2017-02-06 19:43:59
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) right
2017-02-06 19:45:27
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) for your thermal stuff - are you just looking for conductivity, or for dynamic response too?
2017-02-06 19:45:58
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) So it should eventually be possible then to use that to do stuff like antenna design
2017-02-06 19:46:00
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) both, transient and static simulation, as well as radiant
2017-02-06 19:46:15
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) for antenna you need FDTD I think
2017-02-06 19:51:53
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) is the STEP output from KiCAD only via the StepUp extension?
2017-02-06 19:52:16
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) I need to check with my eletrical engineer
2017-02-06 19:52:41
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) no biggie, I can try downloading and testing it later
2017-02-06 19:52:50
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) should probably get back to work for now though
2017-02-06 19:53:06
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) No problem it is dinner time on my side ;)
2017-02-06 19:55:00
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) I think you need stepup and I also think we know the writer of the plugin (I believe this is easyw-fc I will ask him)
2017-02-06 19:55:53
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) No worries, I'm on some of the KiCAD lists too so can figure it out
2017-02-07 12:16:27
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) sliptonic mlampert If any of you guys has ideas for a Path-related GSOC project, that might be good to add to https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Google_Summer_of_Code
2017-02-07 14:16:14
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) I am pretty closed to have the color working
2017-02-07 14:16:22
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) At least it work on one of my test bench ;)
2017-02-07 14:16:25
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) with the VBO support
2017-02-07 14:17:30
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) @ianrrees that is crazy because StepUp in KiCAD is using FreeCAD to run the export !
2017-02-07 14:17:41
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) and I confirm it works and this is easyw-fc who has done it
2017-02-07 19:31:23
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) I got Colors working with VBO ;) still some work to do but hopefully it could work
2017-02-07 19:32:37
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Cool!
2017-02-07 19:32:55
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) yep, this is crazy to see how fast FC could be with VBO
2017-02-07 19:33:08
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) (on the same hardware)
2017-02-07 19:37:08
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) hey @yorikvanhavre - I saw in the forum that we shouldn't be cross posting pull requests there, so the description of FreeCAD in github should probably be changed to remove "Please always announce your pull requests on http://forum.freecadweb.org otherwise they might go on unnoticed for a long time, thanks!"
2017-02-07 19:37:38
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) @ianrees ah good catch
2017-02-07 19:37:47
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) Agree, this is why I was cross posting mine :(
2017-02-07 19:40:28
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) @vejmarie we decided like one week ago that it was actually not really useful anymore
2017-02-07 19:52:13
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) No problem, I am aware now ;)
2017-02-07 19:59:51
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) no worries @yorikvanhavre , good to see the SF-github transition wrapping up :)
2017-02-07 20:00:20
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) yeah i think now the latest bits of SF are gone
2017-02-07 20:00:39
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) @ianrrees I asked my electrical engineer and yes he is using StepUp to export STEP from KiCAD
2017-02-07 20:00:41
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) ... until github becomes evil too and we must migrate again D
2017-02-07 20:00:55
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) right, just a matter of time :)
2017-02-07 20:00:58
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) what is funny is that it is importing the model to FreeCAD to do the job
2017-02-07 20:01:47
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) I haven't looked in to pcbnew's (the KiCAD layout program) format, but the formats used in the schematic capture program are pretty simple
2017-02-07 20:02:10
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) so it's probably easier to do the bulk of the work in FreeCAD rather than KiCAD
2017-02-07 20:02:29
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) (meant file formats)
2017-02-07 20:05:18
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) that said, I still like the idea of a gerber importer. Have had a few situations (eg at my previous job) where it would've been great to be able to run FEM analysis on a PCB design that came out of a commercial electronics CAD package.
2017-02-07 20:17:22
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) agree
2017-02-07 22:15:46
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) If GitHub becomes evil GitLab is a great alternative and can be self-hosted, the transition is basically doing 's/hub/lab/' on your .gitconfig file
2017-02-07 23:08:04
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) @bblacey - had a thought about the high DPI thing: have you looked at the DPI settings available in the application bundle's info.plist? "High Resolution Capable" may be of particular interest
2017-02-07 23:08:19
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @ianrrees - yes, it is set.
2017-02-07 23:08:29
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) is that the problem?
2017-02-07 23:08:43
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) No, it is set to “High Resolution Capable”.
2017-02-07 23:09:06
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) I mean, if it's turned off, does OSX + Qt scale things appropriately?
2017-02-07 23:12:20
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) I will try - standby.
2017-02-07 23:13:27
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) No joy.
2017-02-07 23:13:43
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) bummer, sorry about the noise
2017-02-07 23:14:24
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Ideas are not noise ;)
2017-02-07 23:14:44
FreeCADBot
(sasobadovinac) f3nix just posted something about it on the forum https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19724&start=60#p158677
2017-02-07 23:16:14
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) yeah, that's what got me to thinking about it (last place I worked had a bunch of issues in this area with their software, my takeaway was that it's generally best to not try outsmarting the OS's scaling routines)
2017-02-07 23:21:33
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) I just read f3nix’s post and will give it a try. Right now my dev enviornment is setup for Qt4 so I need to either switch back to Qt5 (reinstall ports) or ask Travis to help ;)
2017-02-07 23:21:33
FreeCADBot
(bblacey)
2017-02-07 23:22:00
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) has anyone taken a crack at porting to QOpenGLWidget? It doesn't look too hard on the surface, and I'd suspect will fix the scaling along with several other things
2017-02-07 23:23:08
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @ianrrees - according to the Qt5 docs I ready, they try to leverage OSX’s scaling and actually praise the pixel-independence approach in OSX in comparison to other OSes so I suspect it is something we are doing, such as setting the viewport. I think @werner and also @f3nix have taken different shots at QOpenGLWidget but nothing usable yet.
2017-02-07 23:25:02
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) good to know, thanks
2017-02-07 23:38:09
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @ianrrees - there are some recent posts here - https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?t=20105
2017-02-07 23:39:04
FreeCADBot
(f3nix) @bblacey @ianrrees Porting to QOpenGLWidget does not seem to fix the issue automagically
2017-02-07 23:39:12
FreeCADBot
(f3nix) [![blob](https://files.gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/GVFX/thumb/blob.png)](https://files.gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/GVFX/blob)
2017-02-07 23:39:15
FreeCADBot
(f3nix) [![blob](https://files.gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/t62I/thumb/blob.png)](https://files.gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/t62I/blob)
2017-02-07 23:40:10
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Yeah, Ian was asking about it. I realize we need to tackle it to wean ourselves off WebKit.
2017-02-07 23:40:31
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) By the way, your Qt5 test build is 69% complete.
2017-02-07 23:41:13
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Building in a VM so it isn’t lightening fast but I will be able to provide test results for both a standard DPI and HiDPI display.
2017-02-07 23:42:01
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @f3nix - also, has anyone tried FreeCAD on a HiDPI monitor in either Windows or Linux?
2017-02-07 23:44:10
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @vejmarie - not surprised that OpenGL VOBs are fast, Apple invested a lot of time and energy optimizing OpenGL for GPUs on macOS in the early days - well before other OSes.
2017-02-07 23:49:54
FreeCADBot
(f3nix) @bblacey I will probably have access to one this weekend. Windows machine.
2017-02-07 23:50:25
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Cool - and you have a qt5 build for Windows?
2017-02-07 23:52:23
FreeCADBot
(f3nix) Not yet. But setting it will not take too long.
2017-02-07 23:53:03
FreeCADBot
(f3nix) Ok. Going to sleep. Hope the test build will work as expected. Good night.
2017-02-07 23:53:21
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @sgrogan would probably like any instructions that you can provide for Windows… Werner provided some pyside2 instructions for Windows in the forum.
2017-02-07 23:54:12
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @f3nix - also, just about to test the build… Hold before you crash.
2017-02-07 23:56:43
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @f3nix - interesting. The viewport size seems correct on a HiDPI monitor but the cursor is offet significantly. The same cursor offset that I demonstrated without using the 0.5 scale factor in the video. So we have another non-HiDPI hardwiring coordinate system in the code but this is progress ;)
2017-02-07 23:58:14
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @f3nix - FYI - here are Werner’s pyside2 build on Windows instructions - https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19823
2017-02-08 00:14:19
FreeCADBot
(sgrogan) @f3nix, @sgrogan would probably like any instructions that you can provide for Windows… Werner provided some pyside2 instructions for Windows in the forum.
2017-02-08 00:14:19
FreeCADBot
(sgrogan) I'm behind here. I've been chasing the OCCT stuff. At the moment I can't compile vejmries's OCCT7 fork with TBB on Trusty. I owe easy-fc some testing. I'm also having trouble compiling FC master against OCCT 7.1 w/TBB on win. Undoubtedly my singular focus is helping :
2017-02-08 00:54:48
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @sgrogan - I wouldn’t worry too much about Qt5 on Windows because it seems there is still quite a bit of work to do (at least on macOS but perhaps it is limited to HiDPI displays). I was merely suggesting that f3nix keep good notes if he is going to build FC w/Qt5 on Windows this weekend to help tease out and fix the HiDPI issues and pass the instructions on to you for future use/reference.
2017-02-08 01:21:10
FreeCADBot
(sgrogan) @bblacey - I'm less worried about QT5, than Pyside2. The Python3 port is going to be a big deal on Win, With VC14 + Python3 we can re-align with standard python. If I skip too many steps I'll never catch up. Have you tried OCCT 7.1? It seems successful for fixing HLR (Hidden Line Removal) especially good for TechDraw. I built FreeCAD against it on Trusty locally, but when I tried to rebuild Netgen I broke everything.
2017-02-08 01:22:17
FreeCADBot
(sgrogan) Any Debian Packaging guru's out there? OCCT on the PPA could use help!
2017-02-08 01:30:41
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @sgrogan - Perhaps solicit help from @m42kus based upon this post - https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=5685&start=50#p157057 Seems he put together some debian packages for Qt5.6 including Webkit, shiboken2, pyside2 and freecad-qt5, clearly some expertise in that court. Have not tried OCCT7.1 but can give it a shot, right now we are using the OCCT7.0 formula out of the box. Python3 looks like it will be a lot of work on
2017-02-08 01:30:42
FreeCADBot
haven’t even looked.
2017-02-08 06:48:25
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) So I think I have short URLs enabled for the wiki, take a look everyone and let me know if you see any issues.. for example URLs now look like https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Main_Page
2017-02-08 06:50:49
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) @sgrogan do you think it makes sense to create a Packaging subforum under Development? all packaging work for Linux, Mac, and Windows could go there. Keeping FreeCAD cross-platform and up-to-date is a lot of work and maybe having a separate board would help attract people who can help?
2017-02-08 07:09:22
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) @kkremitzki - short links look good to me
2017-02-08 07:09:38
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) FWIW, I like the "Install/Compile" for packaging discussions
2017-02-08 07:10:07
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) because one person's install/compile issue often ends up being a packaging issue to be resolved/improved/etc
2017-02-08 07:11:20
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) That makes sense, perhaps a name change to Installation, Compilation, & Packaging?
2017-02-08 08:12:57
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) @kkremitzki - just noticed the donate link at the website footer is now just going to the wiki front page
2017-02-08 08:13:50
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) I'm on it, thanks
2017-02-08 08:14:03
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) np, ttyl
2017-02-08 08:23:24
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) Great, they're all fixed
2017-02-08 09:22:40
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) Anyone with access to the forum admin control panel in here? The style needs refreshing in Server Configuration->Load settings->Recompile stale style components
2017-02-08 14:50:38
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) Guys, I will need testers !
2017-02-08 14:50:50
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) my VBO implementation seems to be completed and working
2017-02-08 14:51:02
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) (or at least on the early test I have made)
2017-02-08 14:51:30
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) Before pushing it upstream it might be really great if some of you could give it a try and provide me feedbacks !
2017-02-08 14:51:40
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) I will push it during the night (european time) on my githud
2017-02-08 14:51:55
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) roughly on my mac I got x3 the fps !
2017-02-08 14:53:36
FreeCADBot
(luzpaz) off-topic: https://github.com/linganesan/FreeCAD_IPython_Integration
2017-02-08 14:54:50
FreeCADBot
(luzpaz) @vejmarie super cool. post your branch on here and in the forum thread
2017-02-08 15:26:12
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) Done, you can test it with https://github.com/vejmarie/FreeCAD.git using STEP branch
2017-02-08 15:26:30
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) I am suspecting that it will crash, but getting feedback is key at this stage
2017-02-08 15:28:00
FreeCADBot
(sliptonic) @yorikvanhavre and others. There seemed to be quite a bit of interest in a URDF exporter a while back. Would this make a good GSoC project?
2017-02-08 15:28:58
FreeCADBot
(sliptonic) I have long-term interest in integration between Robot and Path for simulation but modeling robots is a gating factor.
2017-02-08 15:29:42
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) @sliptonic Yes, or even "Robot / Path integration" could be a very good subject
2017-02-08 15:30:39
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) i think a gsoc project can be a small, detailed thing, where you expect concrete results, or a broader subject, where you just expect the student to advance on the path, not necessarily finish it
2017-02-08 15:31:11
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) Jürgen also wanted a better Path/Robot integration
2017-02-08 15:31:25
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) he even talked about rebasing Robot on Path once
2017-02-08 15:31:48
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) I looked at that when started to work on path,
2017-02-08 15:32:05
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) but never went very far there
2017-02-08 15:32:12
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) but it's totally doable
2017-02-08 15:32:32
FreeCADBot
(sliptonic) I seem to remember early discussion about robot trajectories but I can't remember details.
2017-02-08 15:33:07
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) the robot trajectories are made with KDL
2017-02-08 15:33:30
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) that behaves very similarly to our Path object (a series of "commands")
2017-02-08 15:33:54
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) each command being basically a placement (position + rotation) + acceleration
2017-02-08 15:34:21
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) our Path object has the same properties, plus many more
2017-02-08 15:34:40
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) so the KDL trajectory of Robot could be replaced by a Path
2017-02-08 15:35:21
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) one would basically need to extend the Path object, to add a KDL interface
2017-02-08 15:35:51
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) (be able to obtain a KDL trajectory from a Path object, basically)
2017-02-08 15:36:14
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) after that there would be very little work needed to adapt Robot
2017-02-08 15:37:19
FreeCADBot
(sliptonic) ok. then that might make a good project indeed. URDF + KDL interface + misc integration .
2017-02-08 15:37:39
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) yes i think so
2017-02-08 15:37:41
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) How many projects can we submit ?
2017-02-08 15:38:43
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) @vejmarie we won't submit any. We list our ideas, and the potential students can come look at it and pick one, if they want (it's not mandatory). At the end, it's the student who submits a project to google
2017-02-08 15:39:11
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) but the BRL-CAD people, with who we'll be entering, asked each project to have at least 10 ideas
2017-02-08 15:41:39
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) @yorikvanhavre ok understood
2017-02-08 15:42:24
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) and i thought it might be good to have a couple of Path ideas there too
2017-02-08 15:58:50
FreeCADBot
(sliptonic) How's this look: https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code#Implementation_Ideas
2017-02-08 16:08:50
FreeCADBot
(sasobadovinac) @yorikvanhavre how about some ifc bcf support? BIMserver has some so adding it to FC could open some new possibilities... Should be mostly just some gui stuff I imagine
2017-02-08 16:09:46
FreeCADBot
(yorikvanhavre) @sasobadovinac could be an idea too, but i don't really know, never used bcf yet
2017-02-08 16:12:53
FreeCADBot
(sasobadovinac) basically managing a list of issues
2017-02-08 16:19:04
FreeCADBot
(sasobadovinac) cycles in FC... interesting :)
2017-02-08 17:01:46
linex_
Any rough date 0.17 will be released. Looks like heavy development in progress.
2017-02-08 19:33:21
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) linex_: It's tough to say because some workbenches are not really there yet e.g. Part Design, while other parts of the app have stabilized. Definitely not February, almost surely not March, hopefully before summer :) speaking from my own limited perspective of course. What OS are you on? You might try some of the daily builds of 0.17, testers are appreciated
2017-02-08 19:34:36
linex_
I m on fedora 24.
2017-02-08 19:37:28
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) Ah, well I have tested compiling on Fedora 25 a while back but I don't use RPM-based distros regularly enough to advise much. There's a PPA that packages daily builds for Ubuntu but I'm not sure if an analog is available for you. There is a script though that I can link you that is used to build FreeCAD 0.17 and a few dependencies from source, it could be easily adapted for your needs I bet
2017-02-08 19:38:44
linex_
Its ok. I will wait till things stabilize a bit more. Will look into 0.17 again in March.
2017-02-08 19:54:58
FreeCADBot
(sasobadovinac) https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/przemof/FreeCAD/builds/
2017-02-08 20:13:30
jamesstanley
Hi guys
2017-02-08 20:13:38
jamesstanley
Is it possible to join 2 PartDesign parts together?
2017-02-08 20:13:50
jamesstanley
the Part Fusion tool can't seem to handle it
2017-02-08 20:14:35
jamesstanley
this is my file: http://incoherency.co.uk/axlegear.fcstd
2017-02-08 20:14:36
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) I think it is supposed to work
2017-02-08 20:14:46
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) which version of FreeCAD are you running ?
2017-02-08 20:15:13
jamesstanley
when I do a Part Fusion of Body001 (the part up the centre of the gear) and Body002 (the half-ujoint), I just get three copies of Body (the gear) instead of a Fusion of Body001 and Body002
2017-02-08 20:15:19
jamesstanley
freecad-daily, from a few days ago
2017-02-08 20:15:25
jamesstanley
9927 (Git)
2017-02-08 20:15:38
jamesstanley
I'll try updating it
2017-02-08 20:16:09
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) you can try. This stuff is under heavy dev, but I don't remember to have seen fixes for that :(
2017-02-08 20:16:22
jamesstanley
if a test case is needed, it is here: http://incoherency.co.uk/axlegear.fcstd :)
2017-02-08 20:16:31
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) yep. thanks
2017-02-08 20:16:31
jamesstanley
for reference, the Body002 is a part I copy+pasted out of a separate file which contains my ujoint
2017-02-08 20:17:32
jamesstanley
here is the ujoint file in case you need it: http://incoherency.co.uk/ujoint.fcstd
2017-02-08 20:19:45
jamesstanley
the issue is the same in the latest daily
2017-02-08 20:20:07
jamesstanley
the "Tip" of each Body is the Pocket001 object from Body
2017-02-08 20:20:15
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) I think the best way to track it is to open a forum entry into part design
2017-02-08 20:20:41
jamesstanley
okey doke, thanks
2017-02-08 20:21:04
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) sorry not being more helpfull on it
2017-02-08 20:21:19
jamesstanley
no problem, it's not really your responsibility to provide help!
2017-02-08 20:26:02
FreeCADBot
(luzpaz) question about git workflow: I'm evaluating the steps in https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Source_code_management#Official_GitHub_Repo
2017-02-08 20:26:25
FreeCADBot
(luzpaz) I'm at a loss since I use GitKraken a graphical git client
2017-02-08 20:27:03
FreeCADBot
(luzpaz) my question though is: after the user does the following: On your machine, clone your newly created FreeCAD fork:
2017-02-08 20:27:19
FreeCADBot
(luzpaz) git clone https://github.com/<GitHubusername>/FreeCAD.git
2017-02-08 20:28:15
FreeCADBot
(luzpaz) should they be directed to make a new branch first or are should they make modifications to the source and then make a new branch to commit those changes to ?
2017-02-08 20:28:40
jamesstanley
not sure if there is anything specific to freecad, but in general when using git you would make the branch first
2017-02-08 20:28:48
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) agree
2017-02-08 20:28:58
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) You don't necessarily have to make a branch first, you can change stuff and then create & checkout a branch you commit those changes to
2017-02-08 20:29:02
FreeCADBot
(luzpaz) :+1:
2017-02-08 20:29:25
FreeCADBot
(luzpaz) how should we then instruct people to do it then ?
2017-02-08 20:29:26
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) What I am doing is a fork first on my repo then a branch and then a Pull Request when it is ready
2017-02-08 20:29:31
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) agree with @kkremitzki - doesn't matter
2017-02-08 20:29:53
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) but you can do the branch as a second step
2017-02-08 20:29:58
FreeCADBot
(luzpaz) maybe if we emphasize making a branch first it will deter folks from committing directly to master ?
2017-02-08 20:30:16
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) That seems reasonable
2017-02-08 20:31:14
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) I think we shouldn't be trying to teach people how to use git - probably better to refer them to some other docs
2017-02-08 20:31:31
FreeCADBot
(vejmarie) agree
2017-02-08 20:31:33
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) we use a pretty typical git rebase workflow from what I can tell
2017-02-08 20:32:42
FreeCADBot
(luzpaz) I agree but we can make it clear and clean. For example, http://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/development/qgisdevelopersguide/git.html
2017-02-08 20:33:40
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) those instructions look clear, but I don't think they are any better than what we have
2017-02-08 20:34:13
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) for example, MacOS comes with git
2017-02-08 20:34:32
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) so does Homebrew (the MacOS package manager we use)
2017-02-08 20:34:58
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) git is also available from git git site
2017-02-08 20:35:18
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) so, if we spell out a series of steps, we need to make some assumptions
2017-02-08 20:35:27
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) and those will sometimes be wrong
2017-02-08 20:45:39
FreeCADBot
(luzpaz) does the wiki have templates like 'Note' and 'Warning' etc.... ?
2017-02-08 20:54:35
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) our wiki page does make some references to posting in the PR section of the forum, those should probably be replaced
2017-02-08 22:03:44
kion
can someone tell me the difference between a solid and a compsolid?
2017-02-08 22:56:10
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) hi kion
2017-02-08 22:57:39
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) my understanding is that a solid is what you get for example from extruding a 2D face
2017-02-08 22:57:46
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) it's a thing with volume
2017-02-08 22:57:58
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) and a compsolid is a compound of 1 or more solids
2017-02-08 22:58:18
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) (which need to be connected together physically I think)
2017-02-08 22:58:53
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) https://freecadweb.org/wiki/Topological_data_scripting/tr
2017-02-08 23:00:16
FreeCADBot
(luzpaz) started a new branch to change the old wiki URLs with short URLs https://github.com/luzpaz/FreeCAD/tree/Short-urls
2017-02-08 23:00:44
FreeCADBot
(luzpaz) Probably won't do them all... but just the ones that are getting translated in crowdin
2017-02-08 23:01:12
FreeCADBot
(luzpaz) because translators are getting them messed up
2017-02-08 23:05:36
FreeCADBot
(luzpaz) ex. https://crowdin.com/translate/freecad/27908/en-en#6498380
2017-02-08 23:35:27
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @sgrogan - re building with opencascade 7.1. Currently, on macOS we build with opencascase 7.0 and today I successfully built with 7.1 (had to build 7.1 from source because homebrew currently supports 7.0). In both cases, we use a custom nglib formula that applies [patches that @vejmarie developed](https://github.com/FreeCAD/homebrew-freecad/blob/master/nglib.rb#L87-L479). You will need to apply the same patchset (i.e. patch <patch f
2017-02-08 23:35:28
FreeCADBot
<patch file> in order to build nglib with opencascase 7.x on Linux/Windows. Here is the output of the nglib formula applying the patches: ```
2017-02-08 23:38:32
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @sgrogan - currently the patch set is embedded in the nglib formula but I could refactor the patch set out into a separate patch-file that the formula could use and that you could also use directly by downloading it and running patch <patch file>… With respect to the hidden line issue fix, will opencascade 7.0 suffice or was the fix in 7.1? I would prefer to stay with the homebrew supported version to minimize the macOS packaging ov
2017-02-08 23:38:33
FreeCADBot
requires 7.1, I will have to upgrade the homebrew formula to 7.1 and submit a patch request. Let me know.
2017-02-08 23:44:19
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Another solution would be to move to a newer version of nglib but the source for newer versions eludes me… I wasn’t able to find any official releases beyond the 5.3.1 that @ianrrees originally used but it seems there has been some FreeCAD work to support newer versions that may not require patching to compile with opencascade. ```
2017-02-08 23:44:19
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) commit 73b6fdfed772d6c1ff5be83f2f20ee508b3ede6d
2017-02-08 23:44:19
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Author: looooo <sppedflyer@gmail.com>
2017-02-08 23:44:19
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) [full message: https://gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD?at=589badf3aa800ee52c6e54c0]
2017-02-09 00:06:51
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) hey @bblacey - the newer nglib is quite different to the old one, big architectural differences
2017-02-09 00:07:30
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) I talked with the author about it, he doesn't have plans to make another v5 release of netgen
2017-02-09 00:14:56
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) sorry, I transposed nglib and netgen. IIRC the author didn't have plans to make another release of nglib with C (or was it C++?) interface, the new netgen I think provides a Python interface somehow
2017-02-09 01:10:15
Laurenceb_
hi, anyone here used rhino3d?
2017-02-09 01:11:40
Laurenceb_
I'm trying to have some parts fabricated at a place that uses rhino3d, but theres some weird import problem
2017-02-09 01:11:52
Laurenceb_
they are importing stl
2017-02-09 01:13:03
Laurenceb_
https://ibin.co/3BkB17PkLKur.png
2017-02-09 01:13:15
Laurenceb_
it looks very nice in rhino3d with no obvious errors
2017-02-09 01:13:35
Laurenceb_
but some of those surfaces have had parts removed to form a smooth surface
2017-02-09 01:18:13
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @ianrrees - thanks. It looks like Opencascade 7.0 deprecated the FWOSPlugin library and they removed it in [Opencascade 7.1[(https://tracker.dev.opencascade.org/view.php?id=25812). In order to build using 7.1, we have to remove the reference to the FWOSPlugin on the link command. I think we should remove the -lFWOSPlugin reference in the nglib formula because homebrew only supports opencascade 7.x. This of course would be local to th
2017-02-09 01:18:13
FreeCADBot
repo and not the homebrew-science repo. Thoughts?
2017-02-09 01:19:33
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) I'm all for going to OCC 7.1, especially if it fixes the HLR stuff that gave us so much grief in TechDraw :)
2017-02-09 01:20:07
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) To me, that nglib formula is (and likely always will be) a bit of a hack, so if it works to just remove that reference, then I'd say go for it
2017-02-09 01:23:22
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) I was just re-reading my exchange with Joachim (the netgen author) a ~year ago. He expressed a preference for dealing with the internals of nglib via C++, the current nglib exports a C interface. One of the issues with exporting C++ methods (esp on Mac) is clang/gcc compatibility
2017-02-09 01:25:06
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) From a maintenance perspective, I think it would almost be better to just repackage nglib. Or maybe if we did all the work he could be persuaded to release it as 5.3.2 ;)
2017-02-09 01:26:03
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) all that said, there may be better mesher options at this point, so perhaps not so much need for nglib anymore - would be worth asking on the FEM forum before starting any real work
2017-02-09 01:26:59
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) mostly unrelated - I'm thinking about cleaning the MacPorts references off the CompileOnMac wiki page, has anyone used or heard of anyone using MacPorts lately?
2017-02-09 01:56:25
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Ok, if nglib will build against 7.0 without the FWOSPlugin, then I will remove the reference. If not, I will add homebrew-freecad issue to address circa 7.1 release from homebrew. I have a formula working other than docs - if I submit a PR, I am going to default the bottle to —without-extras because there is an extra 600+ MB of samples and docs that probably shouldn’t be in the bottle. Most people probably only install it to buil
2017-02-09 01:56:25
FreeCADBot
add the —with-extras.
2017-02-09 01:57:02
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Re other meshers, someone more knowledgeable should make that decision ;)
2017-02-09 02:03:58
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) sounds good
2017-02-09 02:12:57
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) Do we have any idea why the github feed is getting duplicated on the right side here in gitter?
2017-02-09 02:13:28
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Let me heck - perhaps there are two hooks defined in the repo integration.
2017-02-09 02:14:32
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Yep, for some reason it was duplicated. Probably a gitter integration snafu from the failure they experience. I will remove the second hook ref.
2017-02-09 02:14:57
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) awesome :+1:
2017-02-09 02:15:17
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Thanks for asking - should be resolved now. Just need someone to commit ;)
2017-02-09 02:18:44
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @kkremitzki - and there you go ;)
2017-02-09 02:19:37
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) Nice
2017-02-09 03:54:34
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @ianrrees - I like your suggestion until such time that we switch meshers, so would you mind reaching out to the nglib author again to see if he is open to making a 5.3.2 with the OCCT7 changes that we will provide? This would simplify for other platforms and help sgrogan.
2017-02-09 04:01:53
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) sure, so the extent of fixes that we're proposing is the OCCT7 compatibility, and fixing up the autoconf scripts?
2017-02-09 04:02:16
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Yes. All encapsulated in the FreeCAD/homebrew-freecad/nglib.rb
2017-02-09 04:03:33
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) ok, I'll email him this evening
2017-02-09 04:04:05
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Testing an OCCT 7.1 formula. The 7.0 update had some flaws in it… Looks like someone did a quick and dirty port without checking the update documentation.
2017-02-09 04:04:33
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) get what you pay for :)
2017-02-09 04:04:45
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) LoL :D
2017-02-09 04:05:15
FreeCADBot
(ianrrees) (hoping it wasn't me that made the update)
2017-02-09 04:05:31
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) Hmmm, me too :worried:
2017-02-09 04:34:38
FreeCADBot
(bblacey) @ianrrees - it looks like I may not need to change the opencascade formula’s option `—with-extras` to default to `—without-extras`. The reason there was 700+MB of bottle bloat is because the formula was not doing an out-of-source build and then installing the src dir that includes all the cmake intermediary artifacts. I changed the formula to do an out-of-source build and to install the original src directory when `—with-extra
2017-02-09 04:34:38
FreeCADBot
a bit more paletable for a PR (i.e. I won’t change a public interface).
2017-02-09 07:18:07
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) Does the main page look messed up on mobile to anyone else?
2017-02-09 08:05:37
FreeCADBot
(agryson) Yes, but not a new thing @kkremitzki
2017-02-09 08:06:06
FreeCADBot
(agryson) Can't paste an image in mobile fitter though...
2017-02-09 08:06:34
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) There's a section on the bottom that is shaded right?
2017-02-09 08:06:44
FreeCADBot
(agryson) https://goo.gl/photos/oSfvL3Ff53q3XW5b8
2017-02-09 08:06:59
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) It looks messed up on my Nexus 6P but doesn't when simulating the 6P with the Chrome dev tools
2017-02-09 08:07:44
FreeCADBot
(agryson) Yeah, with an equal white area at top
2017-02-09 08:08:07
FreeCADBot
(agryson) Looks like the menu bar is shifting something
2017-02-09 08:08:20
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) Well I can't look at it too much atm, just wanted some confirmation. But I have FTP access if you can figure out some sort of CSS fix
2017-02-09 08:09:15
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) I'm actually using FreeCAD for CAD instead of looking at the source code, it's nice for a change
2017-02-09 09:14:53
FreeCADBot
(agryson) Found it, freecad.css line 231 should change 'center' to 'top', this should prevent the issue. `background: url(../images/backgrounds/prusa.jpg) no-repeat top right fixed;`
2017-02-09 09:16:05
FreeCADBot
(agryson) To replicate in inspector, set yourself to responsive and make the view very thin.
2017-02-09 09:21:26
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) Thanks, testing it now
2017-02-09 09:24:39
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) That looks better for sure but it's still not quite right, as I scroll down the shaded section has a gap before it reaches the black footer
2017-02-09 09:24:55
FreeCADBot
(agryson) Hang on, I'll find a background color to match
2017-02-09 09:27:02
FreeCADBot
(agryson) Try adding `background-color: #f4f4f4;` to html, this will hide the lower section
2017-02-09 09:28:08
FreeCADBot
(agryson) Will give the impression the image stretches to infinity. (prusa will be cut off, but it's invisible in this use case anyway)
2017-02-09 09:31:26
FreeCADBot
(agryson) But the best solution would be to get that prusa image, remove the backgroudn and depend on png transparency - control the background transition using pure css
2017-02-09 09:32:33
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) Hmm I changed it and it looks better but I still get this weird behavior only on my phone now, the first drag on the page I do I see a sharp contrast b/t the background of the page and the prusa image, but if I do it once and then proceed down the page, I don't see the sharp contrast. it's as if the image is not getting included in a fast scroll
2017-02-09 09:32:56
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) Your solution should fix that though
2017-02-09 09:33:21
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) I gotta get some sleep but I can test that more tomorrow
2017-02-09 09:33:28
FreeCADBot
(kkremitzki) thanks!
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