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2017-02-18 20:49:03
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) @berndhahnebach - saw your question about "from future import print_function"
2017-02-18 20:49:40
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) that's a NOP in Python 3, but makes the print statement in Python 2 work like the print function in Python 3
2017-02-18 20:50:22
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) so it lets print() be used in either Python 2 or 3
2017-02-18 21:00:20
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) So I enabled the source integration plugin on the tracker and I'm seeing some pretty slow loading times, just wanted to say I'm aware of it in case anyone else sees the same
2017-02-18 21:01:58
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) It looks like it's only working partially, e.g. Linking to commits isn't working yet
2017-02-19 00:52:34
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) @ianrrees - so, I completed a bundle relocation prototype using CMake. I now have a better appreciation of why Peter fell back to a custom script and that seems to often be the approach for others… CMake’s BundleUtilities works fo the most part but I had to augment it with a couple BundleUtilities delegates to make it work and even then, it felt a bit like a hack (like special casing VTK librarires that are already relocatable).
2017-02-19 00:52:34
FreeCADBot1
much slower than Peter’s script.
2017-02-19 00:52:57
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) So, I decided to crack open his script again…
2017-02-19 00:54:53
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) After refamiliaring myself with the core logic for the script, I found the root cause for the FreeCAD loading libraries outside the bundle. There were lingering LC_RPATHS that still pointed to /usr/local and in fact, they were declared before the LC_RPATHS added by the script to if the libraries existed in both places, they /usr/local had precedence hence the issue I reported in Mantis.
2017-02-19 00:57:13
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) I also discovered that library LC_ID_DYLIB is still an absolute path to the original location /usr/local which can cause problems so I am probably going to change that to be just the library name. That should work because the loader tries to load libraries by ID from the rpaths defined...
2017-02-19 00:59:45
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Bottom-line: Once fixed, the “strange” user crashes because the “app” loads external resources will be gone!
2017-02-19 01:05:47
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) Nice, so that should fix the crashes when people would do `help()` and then `modules`?
2017-02-19 01:06:24
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) @kkremitzki - not familiar with that crash but can try… This only affects macOS.
2017-02-19 01:06:36
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) Ahh
2017-02-19 01:07:10
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) In fact, looks like part of help is broken on macOS
2017-02-19 01:07:34
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) But help modules works ;)
2017-02-19 01:46:51
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) hmm, sorry to hear the cmake hasn't progressed further
2017-02-19 01:47:36
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) but I guess this sort of packaging step is often specialised, so probably not an easy problem
2017-02-19 01:48:25
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) I updated to the latest PySide and friends this morning, and FreeCAD is behaving noticeably better
2017-02-19 01:52:13
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Yeah, once I fix the relocation issue, next on my list is to re-baseline the Qt5.6 branch to a later version of pyside-tools. So are you using Qt5.6?
2017-02-19 01:58:07
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) yes
2017-02-19 01:58:46
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) I can make a PR for the changes to PySide and PySide tools (also may be using a newer Shiboken, can't remember)
2017-02-19 01:59:03
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Retina display? @f3nix fixed the egrigious scale issue but still seeing some weird toolbar refresh.
2017-02-19 01:59:27
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Yeah, you can look in the formula to see which SHAs I pinned to… I pinned it to avoid CI build surprises.
2017-02-19 02:00:03
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) no, I've got a 15" MBP with the (sadly discontinued) anti-glare screen
2017-02-19 02:00:05
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) I think pyside and shiboken are the two most likely to move. I added —head to each formula to make testing new versions before re-pinning a bit easier.
2017-02-19 02:00:12
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Ah...
2017-02-19 02:01:36
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) saw some Mac + OpenGL commit messages in the PySide logs, haven't looked in to the details but that sounds good for us :)
2017-02-19 02:08:09
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Absolutely!
2017-02-19 02:08:46
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) I’m going to add some debug logging using the python logger to Peter’s script so others that come after us don’t have to do as much “Sherlock Holming” ;)
2017-02-19 02:09:29
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) That way you an set DEBUG to dump the graph, log the install_name_tool transactions, etc.
2017-02-19 02:17:49
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) sounds like a good idea, let me know if you want a hand with it
2017-02-19 02:26:27
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) @bblacey - do you know if there's a wiki page for continuous integration info?
2017-02-19 02:47:09
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) I don’t think there is but that is a great idea!
2017-02-19 02:50:28
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) In terms of help, I think I have the relo script nailed and logging is easy. If you want to take care of upgrading the Qt56 pyside and shiboken formulas to SHAs that you have tested, that would be great, just remember to change the revision in the formulae so that they build from source until I have a chance to bottle them - and you will want to do it on the Qt56 branch.
2017-02-19 02:51:10
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Also, I am hoping that fixing the dynamic loading issues will allow the off-the-shelf vtk to work so we don’t have to maintain our own vtk bottles...
2017-02-19 02:51:22
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) that would be cool
2017-02-19 02:51:42
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) I'm updating the CompileOnMac wiki page, just testing the instructions now
2017-02-19 02:52:23
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) will bump the Qt56 versions after that
2017-02-19 03:00:52
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Sounds good!
2017-02-19 03:21:13
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Saturdays look like good days to iterate on macOS Travis changes - lightly loaded. Just pushed the relocation fixes and it is already running...
2017-02-19 03:23:09
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) cool
2017-02-19 03:23:14
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) so I
2017-02-19 03:23:31
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) 've been stepping through building FreeCAD on a vanilla MacOS 10.10 VM
2017-02-19 03:24:01
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) used Homebrew to install dependencies for FreeCAD, but I'm getting VTK cmake issues
2017-02-19 03:24:03
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Ideally, that should go really smoothly.
2017-02-19 03:24:22
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) That is because you have to run the brew install dependencies twice.
2017-02-19 03:24:48
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) ahh, of course :)
2017-02-19 03:24:49
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) For some reason, and I need to ask the Homebrew guys, the formula list all the dependencies that it is going to install, but stops before installing all of them.
2017-02-19 03:25:07
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) You have to call it a second time to finish installing all the dependencies.
2017-02-19 03:26:14
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) I thought I could be clever and install the ports in ~/.homebrew so I could use travis caching to cache the dependencies instead of maintaining freecad-ports-cache (even though it has some clear performance advantages). Well, I ran cmake, and here is what I got...
2017-02-19 03:27:16
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) ```
2017-02-19 03:27:16
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) cmake -DBUILD_FEM_NETGEN=ON -DFREECAD_USE_EXTERNAL_KDL=ON -DFREECAD_CREATE_MAC_APP=ON -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=DEBUG ..
2017-02-19 03:27:16
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) VMWare-10:build blacey$ cmake -DBUILD_FEM_NETGEN=ON -DFREECAD_USE_EXTERNAL_KDL=ON -DFREECAD_CREATE_MAC_APP=ON -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=DEBUG ..
2017-02-19 03:27:16
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) [full message: https://gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD?at=58a9112ade50490822e77d3e]
2017-02-19 03:27:45
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Looks like we make certain assumptions - probably easy to fix with a `brew —prefix`
2017-02-19 03:27:54
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) and the corallary for MacPorts.
2017-02-19 03:28:58
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Hmmm, Travis is having trouble downloading from GitHub...
2017-02-19 03:39:33
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) there's a CMake variable HOMEBREW_PREFIX that isn't getting set, if you see that message
2017-02-19 03:39:48
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) which means that find_program() couldn't find brew
2017-02-19 03:39:58
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) so, is brew in your path?
2017-02-19 03:42:11
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) yes
2017-02-19 03:42:39
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) ```
2017-02-19 03:42:39
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) blacey$ echo $PATH
2017-02-19 03:42:39
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) /Users/blacey/.homebrew/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin
2017-02-19 03:42:39
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) ```
2017-02-19 03:43:10
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) `brew install` of all the pre-reqs worked
2017-02-19 03:43:21
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) WRT those formula updates - do I need to do anything other than update the download URL, download checksum, and version string, then delete the bottle hash?
2017-02-19 03:44:25
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Just update the URL, update the SHA. The bottle rebuild will need to be incremented too but I think brew bottle will figure that out when I bottle them.
2017-02-19 03:44:57
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) ok
2017-02-19 03:45:38
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) so yeah, I guess you can delete the bottle entries but leave the bottle section in the formula with the root_url
2017-02-19 03:46:20
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Or if you want, you can create the bottles and add them to the formula and upload them to the GitHub release section. You are a contributor to that repo so you should have permissions.
2017-02-19 03:46:35
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) ```brew install —build-bottle —build-from-source <formula>```
2017-02-19 03:46:53
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) `brew bottle <formula>`
2017-02-19 03:47:07
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Then add the entry to the bottle section, upload the bottles and push the revised formula.
2017-02-19 03:47:24
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) 10.10 bottles are what matters for the CI system
2017-02-19 03:48:08
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) To upload the bottles, just edit this release https://github.com/FreeCAD/homebrew-freecad/releases/tag/0.17
2017-02-19 03:48:37
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) And drag the bottle onto the upload section and after it uploads, click update and you are good to go.
2017-02-19 03:48:51
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) The CI system will pick them up automatically.
2017-02-19 03:49:15
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) And because they are for Qt5.6, it isn’t necessary to refresh the ports-cache...
2017-02-19 03:59:30
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) my 10.10 VM is busy testing wiki instructions, so I just deleted the bottle hashes and pushed
2017-02-19 05:49:53
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Cool.
2017-02-19 05:50:55
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) I will recreate the bottles. Just took a break to watch the movie “Arrival”. Looks like Travis is having trouble with their macOS infrastructure again. Job timed out after two hours… Only 56% compiled.
2017-02-19 05:51:26
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Going to try one more time and then submit the PR anyway because I am pretty sure it will work...
2017-02-19 05:53:03
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Just checked the Wiki - I thought Werner told me that we don’t need external pivy anymore because it defaults to that on all platforms.
2017-02-19 05:53:57
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Oh, wait - old wiki… Guess your changes aren’t there yet… never mind ;)
2017-02-19 05:56:33
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Looks like bottles will take a little work - my 10.10 machine is busy with my ~/.homebrew install… Don’t know if the VM has enough space for two port installs but I’ll try so I can build the new bottles...
2017-02-19 06:23:03
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) @ianrrees - thanks for updating the formulae - I just rebuilt the bottles and pushed to github. Will also give them a spin on Travis on my Qt5 integration branch… FYI, I plan to submit my Qt5 branch to master soon too because the changes are backward compatible so people will need one fewer dependencies to build Qt5 locally (i.e. only need to use the Qt56 branch on Freecad/Freecad… Looking forward to Qt5 in macOS becoming stable
2017-02-19 06:23:03
FreeCADBot1
across the board...
2017-02-19 06:29:46
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) Nice! I changes to https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/CompileOnMac are online now - just wanted to let my test build finish before publishing them
2017-02-19 06:32:30
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) FYI, once we merge Qt56 into master on homebrew-freecad, it will default to Qt5.6 so if someone wants Qt4.7.8, they will need to use the —with-qt4 option added in the Qt56 branch.
2017-02-19 06:32:43
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) The Wiki updates look great though!
2017-02-19 06:32:58
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Sure seems a lot easier than it used to be ;)
2017-02-19 06:33:52
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) FYI, I don’t think we need the -DBUILD_ROBOT=“0” any longer….
2017-02-19 06:48:03
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) @ianrrees - my VM is busy building Qt5 with stock VTK in the standard /usr/local brew location. With respect to my earlier issue of it not detecting homebrew, I looked at the CMakeList.txt and it looks good. I am now thinking that it might just have been a stale CMakeCache but can’t switch back to the other ports location… Even if it works in .homebrew, it looks like bottles are not relocatable to anywhere other than /usr/local
2017-02-19 06:48:03
FreeCADBot1
bottles will build from source… That may mean the idea of using Travis caching to cache .homebrew is a no-go… To soon to know but that is what my gut is telling me.
2017-02-19 06:59:02
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) ahh, that makes sense about the CMake cache and homebrew
2017-02-19 07:00:03
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) are there still issues with FreeCAD builds timing out?
2017-02-19 07:02:08
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) No, not on FreeCAD/FreeCAD because I convinced the Travis guys to give us two hours so we have enough time to build a ccache cache ;) But, in the case of macOS, we use the ports cacheing so we are good citizens on Travis - their macOS infrastructure is always over capacity and don’t really want to be more of a culprit than we already are at 20-30 minute builds ;)
2017-02-19 07:05:16
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Our ports-cacheing is home-grown and actually works fairly reliably but I developed it before Travis released caching on macOS. I tried caching /usr/local and that failed miserably on Travis due to VMWare share conflicts so I thought that caching a different brew prefix might work. Of course, I assumed bottles would install into a different prefix but I guess that isn’t the case. 2 hours won’t be enough to install all the ports
2017-02-19 07:05:16
FreeCADBot1
FreeCAD to initialize the cache.
2017-02-19 07:08:03
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Sweet!
2017-02-19 07:15:34
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) awesome!
2017-02-19 07:16:41
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Once the HB guys accept med-file, we will be down by two if we include vtk. Netgen nglib is ready to submit but I’m mulling over weather we would be better off developing a netgen formula that also installs the library we need… Welcome your thoughts on that. The impetus is that I think the Homebrew guys will push back on so many patches living in the formula without an upstream path to resolve them.
2017-02-19 07:19:42
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) I think the real solution to netgen/nglib is to get FreeCAD using version 6
2017-02-19 07:21:18
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) (still haven't heard back on my question about making a new 5.3.x version with only packaging fixes)
2017-02-19 07:26:10
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) perhaps a good solution there would be to request that the homebrew nglib formula is deprecated, and we just maintain it for our own purposes
2017-02-19 07:26:27
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) AFAIK, nobody else uses that formula
2017-02-19 07:27:57
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Well, we could but I’m tyring to push as many to Homebrew as possible to reduce our maintenance and leverage the broader community. They automatically rebuild dependent formula bottles which will make our builds more stable. Today, if hdf5 is upgraded, it breaks the med-file bottle hence why I pushed it to HB.
2017-02-19 07:28:11
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) So I rather find a solution that HB will support if we can do it.
2017-02-19 07:30:00
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) so really, I guess we're balancing the hassle of getting nglib changes accepted against their bug detection
2017-02-19 07:32:02
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Right. That’s why a better path might be to develop a NetGen formula that they will accept and support and we can leverage in FreeCAD unless you think that is overkill for a path to nglib.
2017-02-19 07:36:51
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) well, it's not my call by any stretch - I just made the recipe to avoid a long set of instructions with attachments :)
2017-02-19 07:38:17
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Hmmm, strange. Just tested relocatability on Travis and get warnings about two instances of Qt during test however if I download the resulting disk image and examine the libraries, all paths are relative. Furthermore, it runs great on my machine and I don’t get any warnings. Just resubmitted with DYLD_PRINT_LIBRARIES to see if that provides any insight. Maybe something to finish tomorrow because it is time to crash here.
2017-02-19 07:43:01
gambakufu
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2017-02-19 07:48:25
Gegsite
cool, now with the updated freecad, it makes right the XZ sketch
2017-02-19 09:12:40
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) In the addon manager, the workbenches', but not the macros', descriptions are not loading and instead I'm seeing `/<user-name>/<repo-name>/" data-jax-transient="true -` then the URL. Anyone seeing similar behavior?
2017-02-19 12:29:44
FreeCADBot1
(f3nix) @kkremitzki fyi password reset on mantis is broken atm
2017-02-19 12:30:07
FreeCADBot1
(f3nix) it sends a mail with some html tags
2017-02-19 12:30:44
FreeCADBot1
(f3nix) and the link in the mail is broken too
2017-02-19 12:31:37
FreeCADBot1
(f3nix) there is no ampersand before "confirm hash" parameter (it puts a semicolon instead)
2017-02-19 12:32:06
FreeCADBot1
(f3nix) should I create a new issue in mantis or add a notice here: http://freecadweb.org/tracker/view.php?id=2881?
2017-02-19 12:39:15
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) can you add a note to our issue 2881 that you linked and I'll look at it some more?
2017-02-19 12:39:42
FreeCADBot1
(f3nix) sure! thanks
2017-02-19 13:07:15
FreeCADBot1
(f3nix) done! is it possible to turn off html parsing?
2017-02-19 14:28:53
FreeCADBot1
(luzpaz) @bblacey i really enjoyed 'The Arrival'
2017-02-19 15:53:30
guanche
hi, is it hdf5 needed to be compiled before vtk?
2017-02-19 17:44:02
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) @guanche, yes. vtk depends upon hdf5.
2017-02-19 17:44:40
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) @luzpaz - yeah, the Arrival was fun to watch.
2017-02-19 18:18:21
creep
I search the discription, what the difference is between BODY and PART in Workbench part design
2017-02-19 18:25:13
jsplifer
I think part is more of a place holder
2017-02-19 18:25:28
jsplifer
body is what you want to start with
2017-02-19 18:37:28
jsplifer
creep http://home.ptd.screenshotsnet/~kslifer/screenshots/FreeCAD_019.png
2017-02-19 18:39:06
jsplifer
creep: http://home.ptd.net/~kslifer/screenshots/FreeCAD_019.png
2017-02-19 18:48:20
guanche
I compiled it after and freecad hasn't complained so far FreeCADBot1
2017-02-19 18:48:52
guanche
and if it does why isn't said on freecad's website? you know how long it takes for vtk to compile to the find out that?
2017-02-19 18:50:42
creep
thx :)
2017-02-19 18:51:29
guanche
man, it's taking me longer to compile freecad than inkscape
2017-02-19 18:59:28
guanche
I'ts been for more than an hour compiling pyside, which was the next thing freecad's cmake complained after hdf5
2017-02-19 18:59:43
guanche
I hope I don't have to recompile vtk all over again because of it
2017-02-19 19:08:46
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) last I heard, they've got the FreeCAD compile time down under a week. Almost.
2017-02-19 19:17:39
guanche
a week?
2017-02-19 19:18:28
guanche
it's taken me over 16 hours of compile-time, more or less, and that's including every possible dependency
2017-02-19 19:18:59
guanche
but do please somebody add add hdf5 here: https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Third_Party_Libraries
2017-02-19 19:19:16
guanche
so other don't happen same luck as me
2017-02-19 19:48:15
TurBoss
Hello
2017-02-19 19:48:26
TurBoss
i lost all the toolbars in the GUI
2017-02-19 19:48:28
TurBoss
http://i.imgur.com/frbePT6.png
2017-02-19 19:48:33
TurBoss
here is a screenshoot
2017-02-19 19:48:53
TurBoss
I have removed the directory under %APPDATA% (WINDOWS)
2017-02-19 19:49:01
TurBoss
and still the same
2017-02-19 22:17:42
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) Hi TurBoss - if you go to View->Toolbars, is there a check mark next to "Workbench"?
2017-02-19 22:18:43
TurBoss
ianrrees: yes is checked
2017-02-19 22:19:08
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) hmm, then not sure I can help, sorry
2017-02-19 22:19:16
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) sounds like it might be a Windows related issue
2017-02-19 22:19:35
TurBoss
thanks
2017-02-19 22:19:57
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) did you compile it yourself, or is that from the CI system?
2017-02-19 22:20:40
TurBoss
is from the github releases
2017-02-19 22:20:54
TurBoss
10150
2017-02-19 22:21:19
TurBoss
but works in another computer
2017-02-19 22:21:20
TurBoss
:(
2017-02-19 22:27:24
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) hmm, I suppose you've tried turning off the toolbars and turning them back on?
2017-02-19 22:28:39
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) and made sure that the temporary data for FreeCAD was removed by deleting that directory you mentioned? (recent files list might be a good clue)
2017-02-19 22:32:10
TurBoss
enabled and disabled the workbench toolbar and nothing and nothing under recent files
2017-02-19 22:33:01
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) @ianrrees - med-file finally accepted by Homebrew. https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-science/pull/5138#event-968473242
2017-02-19 22:33:15
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) awesome!
2017-02-19 22:35:11
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Yes, one fewer formula. Looking into a Qt loader conflict that only happens on Travis CI so can’t quite move to Homebrew/science/VTK yet but getting close.
2017-02-19 23:49:41
Layl
Hey, I've been trying out freecad and I was wondering if there's a way to make things I can re-use, similar to how I would make modules in OpenSCAD, I've got a set of different (single body) parts that all have the same connector on their bottom and I would like to avoid having to re-do that connector every time
2017-02-19 23:52:33
nilsson
Layl, can you save that connector as one part/file, then import it and fuse it to the specific part?
2017-02-19 23:53:28
Layl
nilsson: that sounds like it would work, can I import parts in a way that keep a link or would I have to replace the part manually? I'm assuming that the part stays in the history either way so replacing wouldn't be a huge deal
2017-02-19 23:54:33
Layl
well, the FreeCAD equivalent of history
2017-02-19 23:55:07
nilsson
Layl, off the top of my head, I'm not sure if it's a dynamic link. in other words, if the imported file changes, I'm not sure if/how that change is reflected in the derivative part/file
2017-02-19 23:56:03
Layl
nilsson: if the change doesn't cascade, would doing it manually be trivial?
2017-02-19 23:56:47
nilsson
depends on the complexity of the part, and how you position it
2017-02-19 23:57:09
Layl
hm, the optimal situation here would be to do some kind of replace-import
2017-02-19 23:58:21
Layl
Overall, I'm looking into creating sets of files for common 3D printed connectors that can easily be added to parts
2017-02-20 00:03:17
Layl
Is it common to just import STL parts made by some other program? Or is that a very suboptimal way to do things
2017-02-20 00:04:42
nilsson
well, STLs are very difficult to edit in CAD. STEP or IGES are much better in this regard
2017-02-20 00:05:41
nilsson
if all you have is an STL, it will suffice
2017-02-20 00:06:12
Layl
well, I design a lot of parts in OpenSCAD
2017-02-20 00:06:30
Layl
I saw that FreeCAD has an OpenSCAD importer but it failed to import well on the first file I threw at it
2017-02-20 00:07:40
Layl
that might be just me making mistakes in my OpenSCAD file though
2017-02-20 00:11:08
Layl
There are various options for exporting, some perhaps better than STL: OFF, AMF, DXF, SVG, CSG
2017-02-20 00:35:47
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) Hi Lay1 - have you had a look at FreeCAD's scripting interface yet?
2017-02-20 00:37:24
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) it sounds like you might find that a small script (aka macro, they're just Python scripts) that creates your connector is the way to go
2017-02-20 00:50:17
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) The Assembly2 workbench can import parts into an assembly and refresh them based on changes in the original part
2017-02-20 01:08:11
Layl
ianrrees, I haven't looked at the scripting interface yet, not sure what specifically I should look at for this
2017-02-20 01:08:16
Layl
but it does sound like a good solution for this
2017-02-20 01:54:18
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) Lay1 - sorry about the slow responses (I'm at work). I'd suggest reading through https://freecadweb.org/wiki/Topological_data_scripting and maybe some interesting topics in https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewforum.php?f=22
2017-02-20 01:55:31
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) Essentially everything in FreeCAD's GUI is available via Python (and some that isn't)
2017-02-20 01:56:03
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) plus Qt
2017-02-20 07:47:41
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) @kkremitzki - just looking at the Doxygen documentation. We've historically not included the nice diagrams in the version hosted on the website out of space concerns (it's currently ~3GB with all the diagrams), just curious if you think that decision still makes sense?
2017-02-20 10:08:27
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) Hmm, well I don't know what the total space allowance is. It'd be nice if they were included though. Is there any optimization that can be done?
2017-02-20 10:10:08
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) Yorik could probably answer that question better than me, but if you are interested in giving the API docs some love I'm all for helping out
2017-02-20 10:10:53
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) Maybe I'm just not as familiar with C++-style docs but compared to a lot of Python documentation I'm used to, the FreeCAD API docs seem not so useful.. maybe I just don't know how to get use out of em though
2017-02-20 17:48:03
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) Python documentation is generally quite good quality IME, I think because readability and documentation are designed in to the language
2017-02-20 17:49:32
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) FreeCAD docs aren't bad, and I think that they're more likely to be improved if there is clear benefit in improving them (ie more people using the Doxygen docs)
2017-02-20 19:51:48
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) Speaking of good Python documentation, if anyone has a regular need to do thermodynamics, fluid mechanics, or heat transfer stuff, I highly recommend checking out Caleb Bell's thermo/fluids/ht libraries on github
2017-02-20 20:15:21
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) As far as the API docs, I remember now one thing that bugs me is the footer always being on top. it uses a ton of screen real estate which is a pain on huge pages like the class list
2017-02-20 20:15:44
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) Also is this page supposed to be so threadbare? This is all I see when doing Content->Functions: https://www.freecadweb.org/api/functions.html
2017-02-20 20:22:15
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) It'd be nice to move the API docs up to the header along with the forum, wiki, and tracker, as well. What do y'all think about doing so with this icon? https://thenounproject.com/term/api/38239/
2017-02-20 20:27:39
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) I think it's a little bit of a misnomer to call them API docs - it's mostly source code documentation (ie not something that is exported for example as a library interface or to Python)
2017-02-20 20:28:16
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) yeah, I wasn't sure on the phrasing either, just "API" seems like not enough. Perhaps "API reference"?
2017-02-20 20:28:29
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) I'd say "source code documentation"
2017-02-20 20:28:30
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) it's more like a dictionary than a writer's guide
2017-02-20 20:29:24
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) That seems reasonable, what would the URL be then? freecadweb.org/docs ?
2017-02-20 20:29:34
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) would guess that only a small fraction of website visitors have an interest in that stuff, so for most people a link in the header would be noise
2017-02-20 20:29:54
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) That's fair
2017-02-20 20:30:30
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) freecadweb.org/doxygen ? I think most folks that work with C++ much (especially in an OSS context) will be familiar enough to know what that means
2017-02-20 20:30:50
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) couldn't hurt to ask on the forum
2017-02-20 21:31:15
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) So MantisBT can actually generate relationship graphs with graphviz as well, although I'm not sure the web host has it.. kinda neat
2017-02-20 21:35:21
guanche
hi, the build "system" doesn't correctly handle CMAKE_EXE_LINKER_FLAGS, CMAKE_EXE_LINKER_FLAGS_RELEASE, CMAKE_MODULE_LINKER_FLAGS, CMAKE_SHARED_LINKER_FLAGS, and CMAKE_STATIC_LINKER_FLAGS
2017-02-20 21:36:36
guanche
I've passed all these as `-L/usr/X11R6/lib' and tells me it cannot link libFreeCADGui and FreeCADGuiPy
2017-02-20 21:37:09
guanche
also, it website it's mentioned it takes 10 minutes to compile freecad on a fast machine, half an hour on a slow one
2017-02-20 21:38:44
guanche
on mine, which is a dual core, it's been for over three hours it's still at 30%, again complaining it cannot link PointsGui because of not finding -lGL, -lXext, ...
2017-02-20 21:39:00
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) welcome back guanche
2017-02-20 21:39:23
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) I think you'll need to provide a bit more information if you're looking for help - for example what OS you're using
2017-02-20 21:39:38
guanche
linux
2017-02-20 21:39:58
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) which linux?
2017-02-20 21:40:10
guanche
if you know the correct flag, else I'm gonna have to fix each `link.txt' file as it stops
2017-02-20 21:40:17
guanche
linux from scratch
2017-02-20 21:40:26
guanche
I don't use any distro, but compile all
2017-02-20 21:41:12
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) why?
2017-02-20 21:41:17
guanche
I'm affraid that setting a flag would cause to start from the begining again
2017-02-20 21:42:03
guanche
because the system is more stable, this is a work station, not a script-kiddie desktop computer you know
2017-02-20 21:44:06
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) sounds like a tinkering station to me
2017-02-20 21:44:26
guanche
hehe
2017-02-20 21:44:46
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) not to disparage, just saying that sounds like a huge amount of work
2017-02-20 21:45:41
guanche
I've doing that for years know, and yes, I make a living out of my computer so wouldn't accept it giving segmentation faults when I need to turn over something
2017-02-20 21:45:53
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) ok, whatever works for you
2017-02-20 21:46:06
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) Yeah I mean I've messed around with my share of tiling window managers and stuff but w/ Ubuntu or Arch I can just clone FreeCAD, make a build dir, `ccmake ../FreeCAD`, and `make -j$(nproc)`
2017-02-20 21:46:35
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) it seems like choosing linux from scratch kind of binds your fate to a support-it-yourself situation
2017-02-20 21:46:48
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) how are people supposed to reproduce your environment to test your scenario
2017-02-20 21:46:49
guanche
yes, I know what's behing a distro package
2017-02-20 21:47:38
guanche
well, would you use autoconf/automake I could send you a patch straigth away, I've never used cmake besides the obligatory, such as now
2017-02-20 21:47:57
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) autoconf is much more difficult to maintain
2017-02-20 21:48:21
guanche
if you think so, I'm very happy with it
2017-02-20 21:51:14
guanche
why is that everyone talks through the bot?
2017-02-20 21:51:30
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) We are talking in gitter.im
2017-02-20 21:51:32
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) https://gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD
2017-02-20 21:51:47
guanche
a ok
2017-02-20 21:51:51
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) There is a bot that mirrors chat... I wish someone who had the ability to change the MOTD in IRC would say something about it /nudge
2017-02-20 21:54:05
guanche
s shame everything it's written in c++ and python, I'm getting too old school already
2017-02-20 21:54:24
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) lol, you're welcome to re-do it using whatever tools and language you want
2017-02-20 21:54:51
guanche
been years programming in c, perl, csh/bash, autoconf, m4, tex, etc, but sometimes I stummble upon a c++ error which can't understand in first place I just give up, hehe
2017-02-20 21:55:06
guanche
else I could contribute, always like computer graphics
2017-02-20 21:55:46
guanche
used maya and mel quite a bit during a time, I really liked it
2017-02-20 22:02:12
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) I've found that learning new languages/tools/techniques can be be quite useful
2017-02-20 22:07:24
guanche
well, besides that I have a family to feed, I never liked c++ and it's *facilities* (I can do anything I need to in c), and same for other things such as java, python, cmake, scons, ...
2017-02-20 22:07:39
guanche
I'm just a bit old for these new things
2017-02-20 22:08:26
guanche
patches I've sent plenty to software that I use, and that uses *standard* stuff
2017-02-20 22:09:19
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) it seemed earlier like you needed to do something with cmake...
2017-02-20 22:10:09
guanche
I've used it, just to circumvent a build, know nothing about it's internals, but the fact that shows by default all that colors and the percentage I don't like it hehe
2017-02-20 22:10:41
guanche
most of times you learn about the quality of the software you build just by looking at the messages as it happens
2017-02-20 22:10:45
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) only because your monitor is too new :)
2017-02-20 22:16:10
guanche
it's astonishing though, that many people that complain about the old stuff, doesn't really how to use it, and they get to the point of reinventing the wheel instead of, say in the case of cmake, get some sort of pluggable-module interface for the program that you think doesn't work, to then go arround and settle a new standard
2017-02-20 22:17:06
guanche
that makes all the efforts spread all over the place, actually slowing down progress, that's my opinion
2017-02-20 22:19:05
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) nobody here is complaining about the old stuff from what I can tell
2017-02-20 22:20:17
guanche
just talking in general terms, not pointing to somebody in particular hehe
2017-02-20 22:20:39
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) right, but what I'm implying is that we don't use cmake out of ignorance of "the old stuff"
2017-02-20 22:21:07
guanche
it could be for other reasons, I don't know
2017-02-20 22:24:02
guanche
nor I've asked, just a reflection while this breaks again and I go to bed :D
2017-02-20 22:24:18
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) ttyl
2017-02-21 07:19:40
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Hmmm, didn’t make any difference...
2017-02-21 07:20:25
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) https://github.com/bblacey/FreeCAD-MacOS-CI/commit/a099f88b089cd91554c3c908b221c965d680ac11
2017-02-21 07:22:28
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Do you think the change above caused this?
2017-02-21 07:22:28
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) ```
2017-02-21 07:22:28
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Tried to run Gui::Application::initApplication() twice!
2017-02-21 07:22:28
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) ```
2017-02-21 07:57:31
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Well, the change did something… Before the change, I did not see this when I ran locally:
2017-02-21 07:57:42
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) ```
2017-02-21 07:57:42
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) dyld: loaded: /System/Library/Frameworks/Accelerate.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/vImage.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libCGInterfaces.dylib
2017-02-21 07:57:42
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) QFactoryLoader::QFactoryLoader() looking at "/usr/local/FreeCAD.app/Contents/lib/qtplugins/imageformats/libqgif.dylib"
2017-02-21 07:57:42
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) [full message: https://gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD?at=58abf389872fc8ce6262d0af]
2017-02-21 07:59:40
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) So it finds the “plugins” but now the question is, what the heck is going on with the rest of the Qt binary loading on Travis? Anyway, given this part, I would say qt.conf clearly isn’t working and may not have anything to do with the other part of this mystery.
2017-02-21 08:00:50
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) And, a little more proof…
2017-02-21 08:00:50
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) ```
2017-02-21 08:00:50
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) >>> import PySide
2017-02-21 08:00:50
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) [full message: https://gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD?at=58abf44521d548df2c38d90c]
2017-02-21 08:01:44
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Perhaps, we also need to prepend ‘lib’?
2017-02-21 08:07:24
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Going to push this to Travis and call it a night. We’ll see what happens in the mroning. Thanks again for your help.
2017-02-21 08:07:24
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) ```
2017-02-21 08:07:24
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) >>> libs=PySide.QtGui.QApplication.libraryPaths()
2017-02-21 08:07:24
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) [full message: https://gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD?at=58abf5cf00c00c3d4f682573]
2017-02-21 16:21:36
FreeCADBot1
(luzpaz) Can someone weigh in on https://freecadweb.org/tracker/view.php?id=2906 (regarding using FC libs from python)
2017-02-21 18:15:46
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) I've been working on a response to that ticket
2017-02-21 19:41:33
FreeCADBot1
(luzpaz) https://blog.qt.io/blog/2017/02/20/introducing-qt-3d-studio/
2017-02-21 19:41:37
FreeCADBot1
(luzpaz) thanks ian :)
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