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2017-03-16 17:39:36
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) I'm not sure that's any better than addons
2017-03-16 19:04:56
FreeCADBot1
(luzpaz) Pyside Update:
2017-03-16 19:04:56
FreeCADBot1
(luzpaz) > - Coin
2017-03-16 19:04:56
FreeCADBot1
(luzpaz) - the fixes are still integrating or are under review (no further progress until this is done)
2017-03-16 19:04:56
FreeCADBot1
(luzpaz) [full message: https://gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD?at=58cae256a84f611959b18279]
2017-03-16 19:13:10
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) The main changes we're waiting for (switch to clang C++ parser in Shiboken) are referenced under https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/PYSIDE-323 . They're in code review and seem to be making steady progress.
2017-03-16 20:53:14
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) is there a reason for this: FreeCAD-Cmake line 855
2017-03-16 20:53:14
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) ```
2017-03-16 20:53:14
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) if(BUILD_QT5)
2017-03-16 20:53:14
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) [full message: https://gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD?at=58cafbb8b809ca5f4a50a4dc]
2017-03-16 20:58:54
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) But there must be something else wrong with qt5. Seems it is only finding pythonLibs 2.7 in a directory from another enviroment. Seems CMake is a bit confused :-)
2017-03-16 20:58:54
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) ```Could NOT find PythonLibs: Found unsuitable version "2.7.12", but required is exact version "3.5.3"```
2017-03-16 21:17:57
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) @looooo - IIRC the commented out line above is related to finding the appropriate Python interpreter on MacOS
2017-03-16 21:18:35
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) ahh, I haven't see that, thanks
2017-03-16 21:19:09
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) The issue is that there's a system Python that comes with MacOS, but most people who would be compiling FreeCAD have at least one other install. The CMake bundled script finds the system Python by default, so you would end up with a mismatching interpreter, libraries, and headers.
2017-03-16 21:20:09
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) So, what happens in the current main line is that we find the Python interpreter on the path (IIRC, bit hazy now), then call it to ask for the include and library directories
2017-03-16 21:21:09
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) I think it might be possible to replace a lot of that by using python-config
2017-03-16 21:22:26
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) is there such a thing?
2017-03-16 21:22:56
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) yes, it's a binary that's often (maybe always?) available in the same place as the Python interpreter
2017-03-16 21:23:36
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) ah ok, this would maybe simplify some things
2017-03-16 21:23:36
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) eg `Ians-MacBook-Pro:freecad-code irees$ python-config --libs
2017-03-16 21:23:36
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) -lpython2.7 -ldl -framework CoreFoundation`
2017-03-16 21:24:23
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) gah, you get the idea :) - the "--libs" is the only input argument, the rest is the output
2017-03-16 21:26:01
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) the Python3 version is python3-config
2017-03-16 21:26:25
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) this could be a good idea for multi-python systems
2017-03-16 21:28:13
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) but I haven't understand why there is a problem with choosing python with qt5 while it isn't with qt4
2017-03-16 21:29:51
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) I imagine it's because PySide2 needs a different PYTHON_BASENAME ?
2017-03-16 21:34:40
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) I'll try a Qt5 build with that snippet changed back to the old way like this:
2017-03-16 21:35:00
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) `set(PYTHON_SUFFIX -python${PYTHON_VERSION_MAJOR}.${PYTHON_VERSION_MINOR})
2017-03-16 21:35:00
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) set(PYTHON_BASENAME -python${PYTHON_VERSION_MAJOR}.${PYTHON_VERSION_MINOR})`
2017-03-16 21:35:22
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) hmm as far as i know, the PYTHON_BASENAME does not have to be set. The shiboken / pyside - config have a default python version which is choosen by default.
2017-03-16 21:36:38
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) maybe that is or was broken in PySide2?
2017-03-16 21:36:39
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) with qt4 we do it like this:
2017-03-16 21:36:39
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) ```
2017-03-16 21:36:39
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) if (PYTHON_VERSION_MAJOR LESS 3)
2017-03-16 21:36:39
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) [full message: https://gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD?at=58cb05e56d7eb18404d6400f]
2017-03-16 21:37:17
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) I think this should work also with qt5
2017-03-16 21:37:53
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) probably - the major and minor variables are a remnant from when Python2 didn't always mean 2.7
2017-03-16 21:38:22
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) I think it's cleaner to use major.minor though, because they could be set to 2.7, 3.6, etc
2017-03-16 21:39:00
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) we end up needing the separate parts in some other places (eg the MacOS application bundling script)
2017-03-16 21:43:03
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) yea that would be possible. But I don't think freecad is still building with python less then 2.7. So less 3 = 2.7. But for sure it would be nice to have some consistency regarding python-version checks
2017-03-16 21:43:56
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) what version of qt5 are you using on mac to build with freecad?
2017-03-16 21:52:15
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) > Quick question for anyone who's here: addons manager vs addon manager. Which do you prefer? the 1st seems grammatically incorrect but is perhaps more common. When I upstreamed the "Addons Manager" macro I changed it to "Addon Manager" for that reason but I was just curious about what others thought
2017-03-16 21:52:16
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) I like add-ons because it's managing more than one. FireFox uses this term.
2017-03-16 21:52:16
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan)
2017-03-16 21:53:17
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) I like add-ons because it's managing more than one. FireFox uses this term.
2017-03-16 21:59:33
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) @normandc has an issue in the tracker to make FreeCAD more modular. wmayer seems to support the idea. So in the future we may have FreeCAD-core, FreeCAD-modules, and 3rd-Party Add-ons.
2017-03-16 22:02:32
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) @looooo - I was meaning more that if we just use the major.minor, that we don't need to have the 'if(python3)' as often
2017-03-16 22:03:20
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) @sgrogan - I think it would be worth making it a bit more granular even, so like: core, mechanical, architectural, 3rd parth
2017-03-16 22:06:05
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) @ianrrees I agree FreeCAD-moduals is plural. With the pure python wb's this is straight forward. Mixed C++/Python wb's like FEM and Path is more difficult. I believe you did some work a while ago about cross-wb dependencies?
2017-03-16 22:07:06
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) sure, it is an interesting problem to consider
2017-03-16 22:07:57
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) the only work I've done around that was setting up the cmake file a bit differently so that it wouldn't just blindly include things you had specifically asked it not to
2017-03-16 22:08:40
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) eg if I said "don't build Part", then another module required Part, cmake used to just build Part anyways
2017-03-16 22:09:08
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) Hmm I don't get it. You mean the #if PY_MAJOR_VERSION > 3 preprocessor lines?
2017-03-16 22:09:08
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) The Qt5 adventure has also ended.... ```UnsatisfiableError: The following specifications were found to be in conflict:
2017-03-16 22:09:08
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) - qt 5.6.2*``
2017-03-16 22:09:08
FreeCADBot1
(looooo)
2017-03-16 22:10:52
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) > eg if I said "don't build Part", then another module required Part, cmake used to just build Part anyways
2017-03-16 22:12:10
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) exactly, this is the challenge. I want the other module to work that depends on part but I don't want part. What to do?
2017-03-16 22:12:39
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) I mean where we curently have:
2017-03-16 22:12:39
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) ```
2017-03-16 22:12:39
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) if (PYTHON_VERSION_MAJOR LESS 3)
2017-03-16 22:12:39
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) [full message: https://gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD?at=58cb0e556d7eb18404d666ce]
2017-03-16 22:13:28
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) @looooo - I'm using Qt 5.6.2 currently
2017-03-16 22:16:46
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) ah, now I see. I think we are only using this with python2.7. Python3 isn't strictly 3.5. I think python3.6 should also work. But there I have no dependencies available, so I have never tested this.
2017-03-16 22:17:04
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) right, so we should make the cmake file as version-agnostic as possble
2017-03-16 22:17:33
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) got it :-)
2017-03-16 22:17:38
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) cool
2017-03-16 22:18:07
FreeCADBot1
(ianrrees) @sgrogan - we changed it to do what you ask, but warn if it knows you're asking for something dumb :)
2017-03-16 22:18:10
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) @looooo Do you have a working netgen 6.x on your conda builds?
2017-03-16 22:18:39
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) > @sgrogan - we changed it to do what you ask, but warn if it knows you're asking for something dumb :)
2017-03-16 22:19:34
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) I understand but this is a challenge to make FreeCAD more modular. There are a lot of permutations and combinations.
2017-03-16 22:19:56
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) @sgrogan https://anaconda.org/freecad/netgen/files but only python3.5. I have also tried to create one with python2.7 but there were some bigger problems...
2017-03-16 22:20:21
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) Does it work without the python bindings?
2017-03-16 22:20:47
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) It compiles but there was no mesh output
2017-03-16 22:22:38
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) Thanks @normandc was able to upgrade the PPA to occt7.1. So we are trying to build netgen. As you know netgen 6.x supports CMake so it is desirable.
2017-03-16 22:23:00
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) I have one older netgen (6.1) which doesn't have python bindings. But this one is compiled with occt7.0.0
2017-03-16 22:24:57
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) Yeah 6.1 should work without bindings. but there were some other patches necessary to make it work with occt > 7. This patches were included in the current master of netgen (6.2).
2017-03-16 22:25:04
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) @looooo can you post here https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17501&p=165766#p165709 your input would be extemely useful
2017-03-16 22:27:27
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) I will try to gather the things that were necessary for 6.1. and make another conda-package with occt.7.1. If this works, I can post the steps towards this.
2017-03-16 22:31:21
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) Thanks, If you know the source patch, it may be enough to proceed. Right now we just need to decide to go with ng 6.x or ng 5.3.x.
2017-03-16 22:32:01
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) @sgrogan - I thought @normandc had nglib 5.3.1 working/building?
2017-03-16 22:32:55
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) @bblacey he built locally but we are are issues with the deb packaging. Same link as above.
2017-03-16 22:33:09
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Ok - checking...
2017-03-16 22:35:08
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) Remember this? https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=13341 :clap:
2017-03-16 22:35:18
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Hmmm, if it is a matter of patching configure.ac, I can easily modify the patchset for @normandc… No harm in patching both. I’m not familiar with designing PPAs but I guess Linux PPAs build from automake and not configure…
2017-03-16 22:37:21
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) Evidently, but I'm not sure. @normandc isn't a regular here so any hints on the forum are appreciated.
2017-03-16 22:38:18
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) @sgrogan - no harm in patching both, I will take a look, update and post accordingly…
2017-03-16 22:38:52
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) @bblacey are there issues on osx with scipy like this https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21364
2017-03-16 22:42:37
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) I think this one was the version I have used for 6.1. The 6.0.0 isn't right there. https://github.com/looooo/netgen/releases/tag/6.0.0-conda Maybe its possible to create patches from that tag.
2017-03-16 22:48:58
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) @sgrogan - nglib occt7 patch set update and posted to the forum for @normandc and gdo35. Now looking at the scipy question
2017-03-16 22:51:43
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) Thanks, I ask because I think OSX doesn;t use a default Python, gcc seems very tolerant, VS has zero tolerance, don't know about clang.
2017-03-16 22:58:47
FreeCADBot1
(bblacey) Yeah on macOS, we explicitly avoid using the system python… The FreeCAD bundle includes the python interpreter with the associated site-packages “path’ed” (is that a word?) to the bundle. This avoids these types of conflicts. So on Linux, .appimages would accomplish the same thing (I think) but no clue about Windows - is there a way to accomplish the same thing on Windows? (i.e. run an isolated python interpreter configured
2017-03-16 22:58:47
FreeCADBot1
site-packages and exclude all others?)
2017-03-16 23:01:13
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) That's exactly what we do on Windows. Are python is self compiled with VS2013 (Thanks Peterl94) but it means we can't use any of the python universe packages that have compiled extensions. Add to that, there is no opensource
2017-03-16 23:01:37
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) Fotran compiler
2017-03-16 23:01:54
FreeCADBot1
(sgrogan) So ScyPy is imposssible.
2017-03-16 23:34:34
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) @sgrogan netgen6.2 definetly isn't working for with freecad and python2.7. no idea what that means.
2017-03-16 23:34:34
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) ```
2017-03-16 23:34:34
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) NETGEN_2D failed on sub-shape #13 with error COMPERR_NO_MESH_ON_SHAPE...
2017-03-16 23:34:34
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) ```
2017-03-16 23:40:43
FreeCADBot1
(looooo) so if you want to go the hard way you could try to reactivate the 6.1. But maybe it is really easier to use version 5.3 without cmake.
2017-03-17 01:38:01
FreeCADBot1
(normandc) @looooo yes, that's why we're going with netgen 5.3.1: path of least resistance... @sgrogan I still positively and passionately loathe IRC but I started making daily visits to Gitter in the evenings. (At least) three things Gitter has going is a log even if I'm not logged in, it highlights where I've been mentioned/replied to (nice) and I can see whether people are connected/active or not. Now that's a chat system that is not stuck in
2017-03-17 01:39:18
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) plus, Gitlab just bought Gitter and is open sourcing it
2017-03-17 01:47:35
FreeCADBot1
(normandc) @kkremitzki read your link last night, cool!
2017-03-17 01:53:49
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) @normandc did you see the talk earlier about "addon" vs "addons" manager? I'm curious what your thoughts are on it
2017-03-17 02:08:46
FreeCADBot1
(normandc) @kkremitzki to be honest English is not my first language... But I prefer grammatically correct terms. Not sure about Components, it's not a widely used term (not even in FreeCAD) so it may confuse new users. Add-on is term known by a lot of people and it's generic enough to encompass anything (macros, modules). I personally prefer the version with hyphen but I understand both forms (with or without) are accepted. IMO it should only r
2017-03-17 02:08:46
FreeCADBot1
outside of the FreeCAD code base, i.e. the community. You seemed to infer it could eventually be used to install modules from the FreeCAD code base?
2017-03-17 02:11:25
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) I wasn't trying to give that impression, I agree that the purpose of it is making it useful for 3rd parties to extend FreeCAD functionality. The point about hyphenation is correct as well, it should really have it. My main question was about addon vs addons
2017-03-17 02:35:53
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @ianrrees not to mention that "feature" is used to designate the operations made in PartDesign workbench! It is a widely-used term in parametric CAD software.
2017-03-17 02:37:09
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I have a vague memory of "something feature feature" being a reasonable name inside TechDraw, but could've been a bad dream.
2017-03-17 02:38:07
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) grammar-wise, I'm pretty sure "add-on manager" is righter than "add-ons manager"
2017-03-17 02:38:41
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @kkremitzki another go at the Add-on / Add-ons matter: I think it should be "Add-on Manager" if that's grammatically correct, a possible alternative would be to name it "Manage Add-ons..." instead. Then using the plural form would be grammatically correct ;-)
2017-03-17 02:39:12
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @ianrrees was faster than me...
2017-03-17 02:39:14
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) perhaps this is a good topic for the UX forum
2017-03-17 02:39:18
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) We could do as Firefox does which is just have a button "Add-ons"
2017-03-17 02:39:46
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @kkremitzki that would be fine too!
2017-03-17 02:40:15
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @ianrrees +1
2017-03-17 02:41:23
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I like the "Add-ons" more than giving the thing a proper name - that way it's easier to change if someone has a better idea.
2017-03-17 02:42:14
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) ooh, or in that case it's almost reasonable for the button to say "Modules and Macros"
2017-03-17 02:42:35
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) yeah, and that's more descriptive too
2017-03-17 04:41:34
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @bblacey (or anyone else) - do you know if it's possible to get homebrew to run arbitrary ruby code from a command line? I sometimes want to see what it would return from an expression in a formula, without actually running the formula, but don't know how.
2017-03-17 04:43:45
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) @ian - I tend to use `irb` for non-hombrew-specific expressions. There is a way to drop into irb from home-brew but I think it is only if you encounter an error when using —debug - you can choose irb as one of the exception options.
2017-03-17 04:44:09
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) I have searched for that capability as well in the past and haven’t found anything so if you do, please send it my way ;)
2017-03-17 04:45:35
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) will do
2017-03-17 04:50:42
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Just learned there is a `brew irb`
2017-03-17 04:52:20
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) @ianrrees - that looks like the way to go `brew irb —examples`
2017-03-17 04:56:55
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) aha, very cool, thanks!
2017-03-17 06:35:10
Gegsite
how can I design this in freecad? http://imgur.com/a/iJv5a
2017-03-17 09:02:37
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) Gegsite, probably nurbs? WIP AFAIK.
2017-03-17 11:22:03
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) btw, if you guys want to upstream netgen patches: https://ngsolve.org/forum/ngspy-forum/6-submitting-patches
2017-03-17 11:46:13
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz you can close the bugs @deepsoic mentions in the PR613.
2017-03-17 11:47:19
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale i'm actually working on that. But the challenge is understanding which commit closes them. More specifically, I'm trying to ascertain which commit to attach to the ticket.
2017-03-17 11:49:02
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale Ideally, it would be easiest if the devs/PR-submitters used the MantisBT source-integration keywords so that it would streamline this process
2017-03-17 11:49:08
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) https://freecadweb.org/wiki/Tracker#GitHub_and_MantisBT ^
2017-03-17 11:51:00
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale which specific DeepSOIC commit closes https://freecadweb.org/tracker/view.php?id=2941 ?
2017-03-17 11:53:08
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) Is it: https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/commit/0d81472fa8ebbb20ffb42065909028091d5c8a9d
2017-03-17 11:54:05
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz I doubt I can tell that exactly, and I don't want to bisect. But give me some time ill see
2017-03-17 11:56:03
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) I mean..we can save you time by just pointing each of the tickets that are closed by this PR by notating the MantisBT ticket with a link to the PR: `p:FreeCAD:613:`
2017-03-17 11:57:12
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale can I close all 3 tickets (https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?p=165820#p165043) ?
2017-03-17 11:58:34
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) the thing is that yorik didn't merge the code from github, he closed it and applied the fixes manually. so the PR doesn't have show where the commits were added specifically.
2017-03-17 11:59:33
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) one could search the github history no problem, it's just an extra few steps.
2017-03-17 11:59:38
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) As per me, at least. But 2859 can't be verified without fixing 2964. I did that with a recent pr so if you want to verify you can use that.
2017-03-17 12:01:57
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale what commit closes 2964 ?
2017-03-17 12:10:52
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) Its written on the commit itself, PR 622. Also closes 2968.
2017-03-17 12:12:24
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) OiC, #622
2017-03-17 12:15:27
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz ^ Also, as for DeepSOIC's, https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/commit/0d81472fa8ebbb20ffb42065909028091d5c8a9d seems to be the only commit in the PR related to datum.
2017-03-17 12:15:46
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz oic?
2017-03-17 12:18:35
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) BTW, in #622 next time please use `Fixes #2964, #2968` instead of `Fix #2964 and #2968`
2017-03-17 12:19:10
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) I guess you could also use `Fix #2964, #2968`
2017-03-17 12:19:20
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) OIC = Oh I See
2017-03-17 12:19:27
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz is there a script handling things?
2017-03-17 12:19:48
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale https://freecadweb.org/wiki/Tracker#GitHub_and_MantisBT
2017-03-17 12:23:14
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) You can test #2859 using a dummy additional object, but I could not make sure it is solved even without one.
2017-03-17 12:32:23
doublehp
sketch verification is ok, merging with empty sketch is fine; merging with basic sketch (a single line) fails; how to track issue ?
2017-03-17 12:53:49
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale sorry, i'm a little confused about all the tickets and commits involved. See https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=21284&p=165850#p165850
2017-03-17 12:57:16
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz you mentioned abdullah instead of me.
2017-03-17 13:05:38
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz check reply
2017-03-17 13:08:14
doublehp
i have missing coincidences, but no invalid constraints
2017-03-17 13:12:06
doublehp
is it important to fix missing coincidences ? how to do so ?
2017-03-17 13:27:03
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) doublehp can you clearly state what you are trying to do? What do you mean by missing coincidences?
2017-03-17 13:27:18
doublehp
https://www.google.fr/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=veDLWIKZOYyEkgXusAU&gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=freecad+%22missing+coincidences%22&*
2017-03-17 13:27:42
doublehp
after check, I have a popup saying I have X missing coincidences (between 4 and 20)
2017-03-17 13:28:28
doublehp
but, when googling an error message only gives the source code itself, and nobody reports it in forums, it usually means ... I am the only guy in the world trigering that popup
2017-03-17 13:28:52
doublehp
fixing them produces redundant constraints ...
2017-03-17 13:41:11
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) doublehp, maybe ypu should post something on the help forum
2017-03-17 13:41:37
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) and then a bug on the tracker.
2017-03-17 13:42:30
doublehp
the bug is in the undo feature
2017-03-17 13:42:37
doublehp
fir now, I want to fix my sketch
2017-03-17 13:44:50
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) Sa
2017-03-17 13:44:52
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) t
2017-03-17 13:46:33
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) ^perils of touchscreen.
2017-03-17 13:47:19
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) doublehp, do you mind sharing the sketch?
2017-03-17 13:47:49
doublehp
not yet; if I go on the forum, I will have to
2017-03-17 13:49:37
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) doublehp, maybe try a simpler one yourself. There's little anyone can do without sufficient info.
2017-03-17 13:50:16
doublehp
took me 6 days to build it; 280 points, 890 constraints ... not really possible to make any simpler ...
2017-03-17 13:50:45
doublehp
seems few people go above 50 elements around here
2017-03-17 13:52:27
doublehp
I could do it in 6-7h if the software did not have so many bugs
2017-03-17 13:53:16
doublehp
when when i talk about my bugs, they all answer me "freecad not designed for such intense use"; people who meet my bugs in smaller sketches just start work over - not a big deal when you have 10 elements, it takes 3mn
2017-03-17 14:01:17
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) That is unfortunately true. I had my own share of problems once while trying r/cad challenges.
2017-03-17 14:02:35
doublehp
the bug is in the undo feature; the database parser is broken; removing elemnet htta has constraints, and undoing it does not always inserts back all consts
2017-03-17 14:04:34
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) You were the same person who I talked to a couple of days back right? 0.16 had solved the issues AFAIK.
2017-03-17 14:04:37
sliptonic
yorik: Thanks for doing the Arch stuff so fast. Have a question though
2017-03-17 14:05:33
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) Or was it 0.17?
2017-03-17 14:05:37
doublehp
AjinkyaDahale probably yes. even if I update, new version won't magically fix my file; in best case, I would need to respend hours (days) on rewriting the sketch
2017-03-17 14:06:08
doublehp
now, today, I am trying to fix my sketch; did not come to discuss about bugs
2017-03-17 14:08:07
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) doublehp, without sharing a sketch I doubt anything is possible. Hopefully you know someone around here.
2017-03-17 14:09:49
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) doublehp i am guessing a bit since i have not seen your model but, i guess you are creating one large and complex sketch... this is simply not the way parametric sketches are meant to be used
2017-03-17 14:09:56
doublehp
http://dl.free.fr/mejIleghR Global58-t01
2017-03-17 14:11:21
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) and while there are for sure bugs and limitations in FreeCAD this way of abusing the sketches is a bad practice also in other "expensive" tools
2017-03-17 14:12:08
doublehp
any one can see a "picture" on the cube, or any imageplane ? http://dl.free.fr/nv3nHUXC7 (2.5MB)
2017-03-17 14:12:13
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) sketches should be as small and simple as possible
2017-03-17 14:13:08
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but you can have a lot of them and use other tools to build a larger and more complex model out of it
2017-03-17 14:13:33
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) doublehp, please try imgur? The site is blocked in India.
2017-03-17 14:13:35
doublehp
sasobadovinac it's impossible for me to make that "base" sketch with les than 100 elements. On top of that, I will link lighter ones; but the very first one can not be simple; it implies over 50 real life measurements; and the resulting sketch is a "best compromise"
2017-03-17 14:15:34
doublehp
FreeCADBot2: dl.free.fr blocked in india ? WTF ? i am uploading FCAD files, which are ZIP; most picture hosters will just refuse those invalid "images"; any other "binary" hoster ?
2017-03-17 14:15:44
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @sasobadovinac I do think there can exist cases where large sketches are necessary.
2017-03-17 14:16:45
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) mega/mediafire/dropbox?
2017-03-17 14:16:49
doublehp
i am trying to establisha compromise between over 50 measurements; each valu affects all other ones. You don't want to see my paper drafts
2017-03-17 14:18:15
doublehp
which mega ? I don't have dropbox
2017-03-17 14:19:11
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) https://mega.nz/
2017-03-17 14:19:30
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) it was possible to use it without registration
2017-03-17 14:19:39
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) just drop the files in to the page
2017-03-17 14:19:50
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) i am not sure it this still works
2017-03-17 14:20:01
doublehp
first link: http://uplea.com/dl/A3181A2AB41523C see Global58-t01
2017-03-17 14:22:26
doublehp
http://uplea.com/dl/225782CA15AAE23 second file, 2.5M, tell me if you can see the picture
2017-03-17 14:32:00
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) I can dl only the first, and oh what monstrosity
2017-03-17 14:32:21
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) is it for architectural purposes?
2017-03-17 14:32:26
doublehp
yes
2017-03-17 14:33:20
doublehp
on the legal side, this land was about 25 parts, owned by various people; thus, the complex shape
2017-03-17 14:33:41
doublehp
simple measurements are impossible due to trees
2017-03-17 14:36:36
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) Alright, now that we have the files, what did you do from here to get the bug?
2017-03-17 14:38:30
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale sorry, what's your Forum handle ?
2017-03-17 14:38:31
doublehp
select sketch WB, menu sketch verification-validation, search missing coincidences, fix them if any, close, sketch should have a funny logo on him, double click on the sketch, try to solve redundants
2017-03-17 14:39:03
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz jnxd
2017-03-17 14:39:10
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) ahh, apologies
2017-03-17 14:53:55
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) doublehp so, the thing is if one should remove the redundant constraints or add the missing coincidences or how else to solve this so the checks would all be happy
2017-03-17 14:55:13
doublehp
adding missing coincidences introduces redundant constraints ... egg and snake issue (yes, snakes lay eggs)
2017-03-17 14:55:46
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) i don't know :) but i would remove the redundant constraints
2017-03-17 14:56:19
doublehp
do so, then, freecad will complain missing coins
2017-03-17 14:57:02
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) coincident is a type of constrain where two point that lay on top of each other are connected to each other (constrained) or not (missing coincident)
2017-03-17 14:58:54
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) and even if you add them your sketch is still not fully constrained and to solve this sketch so that it would be probbaly makes no sense
2017-03-17 15:00:51
doublehp
i don't understand who to fix
2017-03-17 15:01:03
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) i understand you would like to have this detailed measurements of the existing plan, i am just not sure if using sketcher and constraints for it makes sense
2017-03-17 15:01:49
doublehp
draft was not doing better; SweetHome is way too stupid to understand my needs; no other app could run on my desktop
2017-03-17 15:01:56
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) am am doing architectural plans for over 15 year and have done also many of such complex plans
2017-03-17 15:03:00
doublehp
and ?
2017-03-17 15:03:02
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) what we do first is basic 2d cad (eg freecad draft, autocad, librecad,...)
2017-03-17 15:04:02
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) for triangulation we do one line then two circles from each end, where the circles intersect is the third point of the measurment
2017-03-17 15:04:34
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) this same thing you are doing with constraints in the sketcher
2017-03-17 15:04:41
doublehp
i know what triangulation is; lost 3 days on it
2017-03-17 15:05:06
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) and i understand it is at first easier because constraints are sort of doing this automatically
2017-03-17 15:06:40
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but in sketcher there is a system behind it that is trying all the time to mathematically solve the full sketch and it just gets to complex with such large sketches
2017-03-17 15:07:24
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) the manual method i described before is dumb put simple for the computer to handle
2017-03-17 15:08:43
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) and even with all the detailed measurements and triangulation i have never had a plan that would full fit in the end
2017-03-17 15:09:03
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) so one always has to make some compromises
2017-03-17 15:12:02
doublehp
i have done up to 80cm compromises ... and I finally accepted it; but, I need to get FreeCAD stop complaining about missing coincidence
2017-03-17 15:12:26
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) as i said i would just ignore them
2017-03-17 15:12:56
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @sasobadovinac, I'm not really sure how the constraint handling is done, but it should boil down to a matrix inversion, which is at least simple enough even in the worst case for 30 elements or so. I had a problem even with that somehow
2017-03-17 15:13:15
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but you can ask others in the forum that are more experienced in to this type of modeling how critical they are
2017-03-17 15:14:34
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) 80 cm?
2017-03-17 15:14:49
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) or mm?
2017-03-17 15:16:32
doublehp
to get lines visually coherent, I had to introduce 80cm mistakes (the house is about 110m long); may sound less than 1%; can get critical when you wonder what the door is doing on the loo itself
2017-03-17 15:17:08
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) doublehp, if you 80 cm threshold probably means that for any 2 points more than 80 cm away from each other they will be marked as missing coincidence
2017-03-17 15:17:13
doublehp
these errors are preventing me from merging two sketches
2017-03-17 15:18:49
doublehp
not my point; i have left the default threashold, because changing it did not impact for me; I am saying: real life measurement 52.73m, value I have to input to get a triangle, and not a diamond ... 51.45
2017-03-17 15:21:40
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) well 80 cm is not something i would accept and merging this already big sketches i also doubt is the right way forward
2017-03-17 15:22:09
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but you can try :)
2017-03-17 15:32:29
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) doublehp ok so from the images i can see that for now you are mostly trying to create an geodetic survey of the area
2017-03-17 15:33:12
doublehp
sasobadovinac could you see the images in the second file ?
2017-03-17 15:33:33
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) yes
2017-03-17 15:33:47
doublehp
good for you, i can't
2017-03-17 15:33:55
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) did you take the measurements with an theodolite ?
2017-03-17 15:34:00
doublehp
what's your version ? 0.17 ?
2017-03-17 15:34:32
doublehp
funny; i have created a file that does not work on my computer, which created it, but, works for other people ... my life hates me !!!
2017-03-17 15:34:48
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) 0.17.10490
2017-03-17 15:35:17
doublehp
could it be a video driver issue ?
2017-03-17 15:35:27
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) i remember you said you were not able to install several of other cad tools, maybe there is something wrong with your computer
2017-03-17 15:35:59
doublehp
i installed FreeCAD via NIX, which usually solves most problems
2017-03-17 15:36:10
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) i just select the image in the tree and press space to show it
2017-03-17 15:36:36
doublehp
as said in the forum, I got a grey rectangle; light grey on top, darck under
2017-03-17 15:36:45
doublehp
dark
2017-03-17 15:38:26
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) what if you try different draw styles
2017-03-17 15:38:53
doublehp
i measured with a laser meter, then a stripe meter. i don't have theodolite
2017-03-17 15:39:41
doublehp
sasobadovinac it just means the bug is in the way my software visualises it, what could be X related; first time I have this, but, you said the file contains correct data
2017-03-17 15:40:09
doublehp
anyway, I don't need to insert pic in the FCAD anymore, I done adjustments an other way
2017-03-17 15:45:04
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) well, i am thinking what i would do in your place, considering an laser scan is to expensive (but i would still ask for the price)
2017-03-17 15:46:56
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) i would probably get a geodetic survey and then measure the buildings by hand, model them individually and place/position them on top of the survey
2017-03-17 15:47:53
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) there is also the photogrammetry technique
2017-03-17 15:48:32
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) where you get the point cloud from photos instead of an laser
2017-03-17 15:49:23
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but i can also produce quite good results
2017-03-17 15:51:56
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) land surveyor are using this technique but you might be able to do it yourself
2017-03-17 15:52:31
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) and freecad is able to import point clouds :)
2017-03-17 15:54:16
doublehp
so, when you do large plans like this, do you also get similar bugs ? missing constraints, or so ?
2017-03-17 15:56:36
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) for now i do only test projects in FreeCAD :\
2017-03-17 15:57:08
doublehp
oh, big projects go in an other app ?
2017-03-17 15:57:42
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but if you would do something like this in FC i would try to do it in a different way
2017-03-17 15:59:47
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) no, i am very much looking forward to make a full switch to freecad and other open tools, but for now for me this is still not the case
2017-03-17 16:01:13
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) because on the project i work on i never work alone, so i work with the tools that are common for all the team
2017-03-17 16:02:41
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but there are others like yorik :) who do use freecad on more or less all of their projects
2017-03-17 16:03:20
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @sasobadovinac anyone using freecad only for mechanical and/or fem stuff?
2017-03-17 16:03:57
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) probably more then for architectural :)
2017-03-17 16:04:35
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) here is a link to a few posts about photogrammetry if you are interested to try that https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=18587&start=10#p145653
2017-03-17 16:06:12
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBKidr0e-XA
2017-03-17 16:06:22
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lQVH3hSh0c
2017-03-17 16:07:00
doublehp
:/
2017-03-17 16:08:18
sliptonic
yorik: I'm looking over the Arch Panel convenience functions. Thanks! I'm having some trouble though. All the functions are complaining about 'parent' not being a global variable.
2017-03-17 16:08:42
yorik
sliptonic: oops, must have forgotten something...
2017-03-17 16:09:11
doublehp
sasobadovinac thanks; will look that tonight
2017-03-17 16:09:58
yorik
sliptonic: indeed... lines 745 and 746 in ArchPanel.py must be removed.
2017-03-17 16:10:10
yorik
committing that now
2017-03-17 16:10:56
sliptonic
Awesome. Thanks
2017-03-17 16:11:31
doublehp
last video: amazing !!!
2017-03-17 16:12:14
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) it is made with a normal camera
2017-03-17 16:12:37
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) ok, a good camera and a drone :)
2017-03-17 16:13:01
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) yorik, how would you do what doublehp is trying to do
2017-03-17 16:13:13
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) It'd be interesting to see if you could use photogrammetry + FreeCAD to do cut & fill operations
2017-03-17 16:13:22
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) would yo go with such sketches?
2017-03-17 16:13:36
doublehp
sasobadovinac the gopro method would work for sure !!!
2017-03-17 16:14:38
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) @kkremitzki microelly2 already did quite some research around this and has plans to do more
2017-03-17 16:20:11
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) It's hard to not get too excited about FreeCAD's potential for open source engineering sometimes
2017-03-17 16:21:27
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) yes :)
2017-03-17 16:22:48
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) impossible I'd say
2017-03-17 18:13:58
doublehp
thank you everybody, bye
2017-03-17 18:38:54
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz renamed the commits
2017-03-17 18:39:32
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) what next?
2017-03-17 18:40:44
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) wait till they get committed and see what happens in mantis :)
2017-03-17 18:40:49
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale ^
2017-03-17 18:56:26
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) oh yeah.. i forgot to mention... if you want to add a commit without triggering travisci you can add` [skip ci]` or `[ci skip]`to a commit message
2017-03-17 19:09:43
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz can we put this in the commit message also, or should it be in the commit title only?
2017-03-17 19:09:57
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) or whatever it is called
2017-03-17 19:10:02
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) not the PR titile
2017-03-17 19:10:15
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) but anywhere in the git commit message
2017-03-17 19:10:42
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) the commit title, not the PR title.
2017-03-17 19:11:12
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) yea.. i think there is no difference between the git commit title and the git commit message
2017-03-17 19:11:28
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) git-cola calls it summary and extended description
2017-03-17 19:11:52
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) honestly i wish the MantisBT folks wrote better documentation... this process of elimination is well.. not ideal
2017-03-17 19:12:03
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) i gtg. cheers!
2017-03-17 19:12:57
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) You're being a wonderful triager despite this
2017-03-17 19:13:01
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) (y)
2017-03-17 19:22:01
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) the commit "message" (a proper git term) includes the commit summary/title (I think based on convention) which is the first line of the message. The summary should be short and concise otherwise the history gets hard to use.
2017-03-17 19:24:36
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) https://chris.beams.io/posts/git-commit/
2017-03-17 19:25:08
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) There are even git commit message linters available
2017-03-17 19:26:05
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) we might benefit from a linter especially if we have specific keywords we're using to trigger mantis
2017-03-17 19:27:49
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) The only thing I think really needs linting is super-long commit titles that should've been separated into a title/summary
2017-03-17 19:27:58
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Like https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/pull/564/commits/506c58cf49ac8c096f9106c0b486cd6b3ccadc46
2017-03-17 19:28:22
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) ^ really shouldve been something like "Improve Doxygen under Windows"
2017-03-17 19:28:39
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Just to pick the first example I could find
2017-03-17 19:29:23
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Even then I am not sure the benefit of getting something like that set up is worth it (I don't think it is)
2017-03-17 19:31:05
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I agree - this is one of the benefits of having only a few gatekeepers for a project
2017-03-17 19:31:33
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) very easy for a human to pick up on bad uses of a tool
2017-03-17 19:33:04
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Precisely--hold off worrying about it until Yorik or Werner comes to the forums and says something like "Damn, there's a lot of 200+ char commit titles and I just wish there was some way of automatically rejecting them"
2017-03-17 19:34:22
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Yeah, I agree, we should totally ask talented people to spend their time doing what computers can easily do ;) (pun)
2017-03-17 19:34:30
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) One thing I was thinking about too w.r.t. the MantisBT/Git integration too is that automatically closing a bug from a commit is not as useful as it might seem at first b/c there's only your testing to verify it resolves the issue
2017-03-17 19:34:50
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) well, I think it's good for the peons to nudge each other in the right direction so Yorik and Werner don't have to think about menial stuff
2017-03-17 19:34:54
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) @kkremitzki - the close doesn’t happen until the PR is merged, correct?
2017-03-17 19:35:12
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Right
2017-03-17 19:35:35
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) but even then, depending on the type of bug, it may require something further to happen (like, say, the daily Ubuntu PPA build to pick up the changes)
2017-03-17 19:35:39
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) So, that means that it passes Werner’s testing too. Beit manual inspection or actual testing that he does.
2017-03-17 19:36:08
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) lol, that's not really what I meant @bblacey - just that a script that checks line length is easy, but a tool that says "this is a good summary" is practically impossible. The human gives you the second without much effort.
2017-03-17 19:36:10
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Right, and that's pretty good as well, but still not always enough like in my example above
2017-03-17 19:36:38
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) I see two options, either re-open it if it fails in the daily PPA or change the Mantis workflow to support a ‘promotion’ style validation workflow.
2017-03-17 19:39:50
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Ah yeah, the 2nd option is probably the better one
2017-03-17 19:40:31
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) The MantisBT workflow is kinda meh, for example the differentiation between resolved and closed doesn't seem too useful here
2017-03-17 19:46:19
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @bblacey - funny story: I was working on 2906 last night and ended up right back at that memory leak we were discussing the other day
2017-03-17 19:47:22
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Wow! Static analysis works ;)
2017-03-17 19:49:57
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Haven’t had a lot of time lately, but have been looking at the Qt5 seg fault. Seems it is crashing in the OpenGL driver. From what I have read, it looks to be a ‘state’ issue where we try to render vertexes that are invalid…
2017-03-17 19:51:33
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I think Werner fixed the docking/undocking one - is that the segfault you're referring to?
2017-03-17 19:51:35
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Perhaps an invalid context or stale model. Something static analysis doesn’t seem to help with ;)
2017-03-17 19:51:43
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) right, well if it was easy...
2017-03-17 19:53:01
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Yes, that is the one - I didn’t see that fix come through… Last I looked, it seemed we were trying to render the model for the undocked view but the app though the current view was the Start Page… That will be great if he nailed it!
2017-03-17 19:54:33
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Hmmm, I don’t see where he fixed the dock/undock...
2017-03-17 19:56:28
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I think he tends to work on a local repo, so it's probably just not shared. Post is https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=20105&start=40#p165360
2017-03-17 19:57:53
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Well, sometime when you have a chance and are running Werner’s branch, try opening a model and then type ‘V U
2017-03-17 19:58:47
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Hoping to have some time this weekend to look into it a bit further.
2017-03-17 20:14:20
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) @ianrrees - will the bundler changes you are working on also fix #2906?
2017-03-17 20:14:59
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I think they'll fix the dyld-related part of it
2017-03-17 20:15:10
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) cool
2017-03-17 20:15:21
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) well, I should say that a fix can probably be incorporated
2017-03-17 20:15:55
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Do you think this will fix the broader “import FreeCAD” not working on macOS?
2017-03-17 20:16:04
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) just about to submit a PR for the change to FreeCAD to get the right module path in that scenario,
2017-03-17 20:19:50
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) so, yes, I think it will make it possible to "import FreeCAD", but my understanding is that this will only work if the external Python is essentially the same as the one FreeCAD is compiled against
2017-03-17 20:22:56
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Well, we could instruct macOS users to use the python interpreter that is contained within the macOS app bundle...
2017-03-17 20:23:16
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) I don’t know what the means for other site-packages that they want/need though.
2017-03-17 20:23:27
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) yeah, I think that's the real issue
2017-03-17 20:23:49
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) the only use case I can think of for this, is when someone doesn't want to build FreeCAD, but does want to use it with a Python package that we don't bundle
2017-03-17 20:24:56
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) `/path/to/freecad/python -m pip install` ?
2017-03-17 20:25:30
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) if that works, then it might be a good thing to recommend
2017-03-17 20:26:07
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) we could also integrate it in with the "Modules and Macros" manager thing
2017-03-17 20:26:36
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Ah, that'd be a nice idea
2017-03-17 20:27:01
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) By how much do we increase the app size by bundling python ?
2017-03-17 20:27:52
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I don't think we really have a choice, so haven't looked in to the amount
2017-03-17 20:32:52
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) just based on the size of lib/Python2.7 in a recent CI bundle ~150MB installed (so ~60MB download size)
2017-03-17 20:34:15
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) That is less than I was afraid of
2017-03-17 20:36:00
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) still, if we don't bundle Python then we need to make assumptions about the Python on the end user's system
2017-03-17 20:36:16
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) at the very least, that would mean different application bundles for each version of MacOS
2017-03-17 21:21:57
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) > `/path/to/freecad/python -m pip install` ?
2017-03-17 21:22:08
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) http://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?t=16851
2017-03-17 21:22:17
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) This works on Win
2017-03-17 21:28:47
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) Could still be problems if the package has compiled extensions that are incompatible with the compiler used for FreeCAD
2017-03-17 21:37:22
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @sgrogan - doesn't pip account for that scenario?
2017-03-17 21:38:03
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) On windows no. The official python2.7 packages are built with
2017-03-17 21:41:44
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) Hmm, that's a pain. I noticed that the Python C API has a method ( Py_GetCompiler() ) to get the C compiler used to build the interpreter, and assumed that was so that eg pip could get the appropriate compiled libraries.
2017-03-17 21:49:02
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) I thinks it used so that if the user has a compiler installed it can be used to build the extension. I haven't figured out how to do this. Most windows users don't have the compiler installed anyway. The true solution on Windows is port FreeCAD to Python3.5 > Build a VC14 libpack > build FreeCAD with VC14. Then FreeCAD is aligned with the whole Python universe. Even 3rd party modules like SciPy x64 are then accessible;)
2017-03-17 21:58:54
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) On Linux though I think most users would rather use there package manager, unless pip would be transparent to them. They use native Python.
2017-03-17 22:15:44
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @kkremitzki - another wiki thought: might be nice to have a link in the search page to only search in a particular language
2017-03-17 22:17:22
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @ianrrees :+1: many times i'm wading through search pages skipping over many search results because they are all translations of the same page
2017-03-17 22:17:37
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) @ianrrees have you seen this https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=21128#p163727
2017-03-17 22:20:28
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @sgrogan - I skimmed over a little bit of that thread a few days ago, but haven't really digested it.
2017-03-17 22:28:21
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @sgrogan - FreeCADCmd is built on Windows too isn't it? There seems to be almost 0 mention of it in the wiki
2017-03-17 22:33:42
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) Yes, not many Windows users know how to get to a command prompt/powershell let alone work from there. Only the old farts like me that started with DOS. I hadn't used it for years until I got involved with FreeCAD. Now I use a .bat file to run a couple versions of a PowerShell script.
2017-03-17 22:36:57
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) @sasobadovinac uses this to run the unit tests on AppVeyor https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/blob/master/appveyor.yml
2017-03-17 22:37:49
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) OK, I just wanted to make sure it's safe to say that it is bundled with FreeCAD without saying "on some platforms..."
2017-03-17 22:38:48
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @sgrogan how does one trigger unit tests on windows ?
2017-03-17 22:41:17
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) From the Gui from the TestFramework WB. From the command line like in my previous link with a command line switch.
2017-03-17 22:43:12
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) good news... we made it to the top requested feature on crowdin :clap: They will be rolling out a new feature to hopefully make it easier to understand the context of translations sometime very soon.
2017-03-17 22:43:27
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) https://crowdin.uservoice.com/forums/31787-collaborative-translation-tool
2017-03-17 22:44:07
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) Congrats @luzpaz ! I know you've pushed hard for this.
2017-03-17 22:44:45
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) thanks @sgrogan and thanks to all who participated
2017-03-17 22:45:27
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) next objective: https://crowdin.uservoice.com/forums/31787-collaborative-translation-tool/suggestions/18018700-context-of-translation-string-could-link-directly :P
2017-03-17 22:51:47
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) `lupdate -locations {absolute|relative}` is being run as `relative`not `absolute`. I think this may become a problem if we want to track translation contexts on crowdin. I may be wrong.
2017-03-17 22:57:18
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) @ianrrees definitely, lots of wiki improvements to be made (including one I think you mentioned involving redirecting to where you left off after logging in)... I'm having some issues with my staging environment freecad.io right now though, just timing out for some reason I'm not sure why
2017-03-17 22:57:54
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) I noticed the LibreOffice wiki has exactly that feature implemented, it presents a page with a "You have logged in, here's a link to the page you were on"
2017-03-17 23:02:25
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) cool, no pressure from my end
2017-03-17 23:04:18
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Another thing I want is a "this page was last updated on" clearly visible
2017-03-17 23:14:14
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) @kkremitzki whats your plan for the Addon manager?
2017-03-17 23:28:43
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Well first up is sort of a refactor from a 500+ line python file into a proper Python module.. basically carving out the "back end" functions, once that is good and stable I can move on to appearance
2017-03-17 23:52:35
FreeCADBot2
(looooo) Reading all the posts about freecad difficulties with different platforms makes me wonder why nobody else is using conda. Conda has a consistent api for all 3 platforms. It. uses enviroments by default, wich gives us the oppertunity to be quite independent from system versions. It allows to create enviroment snapshots which is useful, and let people recreate previous versions... Oce also activly creates conda packages. So why not freec
2017-03-18 01:07:21
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @looooo - in the Mac case at least, Homebrew is really not that much trouble (as far as these things go). They are actually working on a Linux version of it, so perhaps Homebrew is worth considering for a standardisation effort ;)
2017-03-18 01:10:35
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) The other platform specific stuff I've been doing recently (Qt5, or the external Python importing) relates back to the underlying OS so I'm not sure Conda would help much. Perhaps it would be useful for the Mac app bundling?
2017-03-18 07:45:50
FreeCADBot2
(looooo) It would be possebly to use conda with appimage/mac app, but I don't see a reason for this, as the sepperation of libraries is done by the use of enviroments.
2017-03-18 08:04:46
toner
Hi everyone :)
2017-03-18 15:02:22
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Fun fact: the uncompressed FreeCAD wiki database backup is 2.3 GB
2017-03-18 15:04:32
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) I finally got the https://freecad.io staging environment up again and I'm working on upgrading the wiki from 1.26->1.28
2017-03-18 17:55:15
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz how can I pick up issue tickets?
2017-03-18 19:30:21
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @AjinkyaDahale - are you wanting to start work on a ticket in the issue tracker?
2017-03-18 19:52:43
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @ianrrees yes. I'm trying to resolve #2682
2017-03-18 19:53:02
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) cool, do you have an account on the tracker?
2017-03-18 19:53:52
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) yes. @kkremitzki upgraded my account already. I'm jnxd there and on the forums
2017-03-18 19:54:39
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) ahh, I see, looks like you've got it figured out already
2017-03-18 19:55:19
FreeCADBot2
(looooo) @sgrogan have you ever build coin on win? pivy explains about a missing environment variable.
2017-03-18 19:57:40
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) I have been working on freecad seriously since about december. Can't really say I've got it well enough yet though.
2017-03-18 20:06:54
rweait
Newbie. Trying to pocket on the bottom of a body. Sketch seems normal when I attach it to bottom face. I select pocket and the sketch moves, (placement angle 0degrees is changed to angle 180degrees) and the pocket is placed in an unexpected location. I see this in freecad-daily, and in an older 0.15. Is this a known newbie error?
2017-03-18 20:10:36
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @looooo - in PR 624, I used PyString for a file path, and was going to add conditional Python 3 C API. Are we treating file paths as Python3 strings or bytearrays?
2017-03-18 20:13:47
rweait
:q
2017-03-18 20:15:02
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) Hi rweait, I'm not familiar with that problem (which doesn't mean much) - just tried to reproduce it and couldn't
2017-03-18 20:15:52
rweait
Thanks ianrrees.
2017-03-18 20:16:17
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) that sounds like the kind of thing that might vary with OCC version though - I'm using OCC 7.1 (on OSX, latest git)
2017-03-18 20:25:14
FreeCADBot2
(looooo) @ianrres PyString_AsString and PyString_Check are not available in python3. Normally we do a precompiler check (#PY_MAJOR_VERSION...) and use Py_Unicode_Check and PyUnicode_AsString for python3.
2017-03-18 20:27:43
FreeCADBot2
(looooo) I don't know if there is a rule what to use for file-paths.
2017-03-18 20:29:12
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) ok, I just checked that Python3 does use str for the object I'm dealing with, so I guess the unicode C API is the one to use
2017-03-18 20:29:54
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) will do some testing and try to be reasonably sure it will work, but I'm not setup for building the Python3 branch at the moment.
2017-03-18 20:33:56
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @kkremitzki any idea what the duration is for mantisbt to sync with github ?
2017-03-18 20:36:05
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) Looks like mantis changesets https://freecadweb.org/tracker/plugin.php?page=Source/list&id=2 is 14 commits behind github
2017-03-18 21:11:31
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) I'm not sure with what frequency the syncs happen
2017-03-18 21:12:50
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) perhaps every hour? (it hasn't happened yet)
2017-03-18 21:13:16
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) we'll see
2017-03-18 22:23:06
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @looooo - in testing that change, I found that there's a bug if the FreeCAD path has unicode characters (ie FreeCAD.app is in a directory called uñîcøde): "While initializing FreeCAD the following exception occurred: ''ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u0303' in position 23: ordinal not in range(128)'...". Might be worth testing this in the Python 3 branch because it'll be easier to encounter there.
2017-03-18 22:44:48
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Whoop https://freecad.io/wiki/Main_Page got it
2017-03-18 22:47:45
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) that's 2 out of 3 down with only the forums left
2017-03-18 22:52:25
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) nice work!
2017-03-18 23:20:05
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) So what do you guys think about creating/using a [PR template](https://help.github.com/articles/creating-a-pull-request-template-for-your-repository/) for FreeCAD? I think it would be good to include a short checklist including the suggestion to use “Fixes <mantisBT #>” to automatically close the associated issue. We could even include things like `[] branch has been rebased on master`, `[] well-written git commit message -
2017-03-18 23:20:05
FreeCADBot2
https://chris.beams.io/posts/git-commit/`, etc. I’de be happy to gin one up for feedback/elaboration if others think it is a good idea.
2017-03-18 23:21:09
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) sounds reasonable to me
2017-03-18 23:32:19
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) How about something like this?
2017-03-18 23:32:19
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) ```
2017-03-18 23:32:19
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Fixes #
2017-03-18 23:32:19
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) [full message: https://gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD?at=58cdc3ff6701410e58515904]
2017-03-18 23:49:30
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Here is something to throw stones at - https://github.com/bblacey/FreeCAD-MacOS-CI/blob/bd33d75cfdc52ce18915bebedb13dee11ed36280/.github/PULL_REQUEST_TEMPLATE.md
2017-03-19 00:01:37
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) To me, the 4th item implies that there should be a tracker item for every PR. I think it would be good if it were something like "For any relevant MantisBT issues, commit message includes 'fixes #' where # is the issue number"
2017-03-19 00:10:08
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Perhaps qualify with something like “when appropriate” or “if one exists”?
2017-03-19 00:14:58
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) wiki CSS experiment: small caps and left-align for table of contents: https://freecad.io/wiki/Manual:Introduction
2017-03-19 00:15:36
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @bblacey sure, sounds good. I'm just trying to avoid getting in to a thought process that leads to "every PR should have a ticket in the tracker".
2017-03-19 00:16:50
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @kkremitzki - I think regular capitalisation looks better
2017-03-19 00:19:04
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) For the 4th item, how about "Commit message includes `Fixes #123,...` for relevant MantisBT issue(s)"
2017-03-19 00:19:14
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) I believe it has to be in the format Fixes #123, not Fixes 123
2017-03-19 00:20:34
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) @ianrrees I just updated it to regular caps, left align, what do you think?
2017-03-19 00:21:14
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) I'd like to get a little list indentation too to differentiate
2017-03-19 00:22:05
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) ahh, think that's a bit better than the current wiki, but by "regular capitalisation" I should've said "Title Case"
2017-03-19 00:23:09
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) What about now?
2017-03-19 00:23:54
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) awesome!
2017-03-19 01:30:34
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) @kkremitzki - thanks. Fixed. https://github.com/bblacey/FreeCAD-MacOS-CI/blob/270eb5c302ff7cdc50bd9c917cd24cd44f6cb07f/.github/PULL_REQUEST_TEMPLATE.md
2017-03-19 01:37:53
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Looks good. Informative and concise.
2017-03-19 03:50:48
Rev22
I'm trying to scale + rotate + translate a path imported from SVG to make it fit my 3d model, a single tool for this would be nice :)
2017-03-19 04:39:55
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @bblacey - what do you think about encouraging wiki updates in your checklist, for PRs that change/add features?
2017-03-19 04:40:59
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I guess it's not something that deserves a checkbox exactly, since the wiki shouldn't be changed until after the PR is merged.
2017-03-19 04:52:02
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Feedback requested: inline history in MantisBT. example: https://freecad.io/tracker/view.php?id=2741
2017-03-19 05:07:52
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) hmm, interesting
2017-03-19 05:08:47
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) first thought is that it's a bit busy, but on the other hand maybe that will help cut down some of the chatter (by making it a little more explicit that changing status or whatever will result in logs/emails/etc)
2017-03-19 05:10:04
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) JIRA's default behaviour IIRC is to show a "Comments" tab that behaves like our current Mantis install, but there's also an "All" that behaves like this one, and a few others I can't remember.
2017-03-19 06:48:15
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) @ianrrees - something like “- [ ] updated documentation, e.g. wiki”?
2017-03-19 06:50:28
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) @kkremitzki - looks good. You have done a great job moving the infrastructure along lately - really nice to see the Mantis upgrade, https, Mantis integration with GitHub, wiki upgrades/updates, etc. I know I am leaving a lot out like the behind-the-scenes modernization/virtualization to make it all possible but that is probaby behind my appreciation for you efforts ;)
2017-03-19 06:56:50
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @bblacey - something like that, but I guess we don't want people to update the wiki before their PR is merged. I'm having a hard time thinking of better wording. "Considered updates to the wiki for added or changed features"?
2017-03-19 06:59:55
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) We could add a final sentence (i.e. not a check-list item) “And please remember to update the Wiki with the features added or changed ince this PR once it is merged” ???
2017-03-19 07:01:14
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) Sure, that works. Sorry for the nonspecific suggestion :)
2017-03-19 07:01:26
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) This maybe a good thing to consider if we tailor the Mantis work-flow. If an issue requires wiki changes, it can’t be closed until the wiki is updated. I know we are talking about PRs right now but eventually...
2017-03-19 07:02:17
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) Yeah, it's a tricky one though. At least for me, too much structure begins to feel like work.
2017-03-19 10:34:33
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) How does everyone feel about setting up https://chromium.googlesource.com/breakpad/breakpad/ or something similar
2017-03-19 10:34:47
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) Maybe after 0.17 release...
2017-03-19 10:34:54
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) ?
2017-03-19 10:37:20
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) Here is a bit of info how LibreOffice is using it https://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2017-02-01-under-the-hood-5-3.html
2017-03-19 11:51:57
markvandenborre
hi! I would like to design a laser cut case for a pcb
2017-03-19 11:53:59
markvandenborre
in layers of 3mm birch plywood held together by nuts and bolts
2017-03-19 11:54:20
markvandenborre
I've done something like it using openscad in the past
2017-03-19 11:54:30
markvandenborre
but I would like to use freecad this time
2017-03-19 11:55:30
markvandenborre
any idea on what workbench I would best use for this?
2017-03-19 11:55:35
markvandenborre
part design I guess?
2017-03-19 12:07:38
FreeCADBot2
(looooo) @ianrrees : the problem with unicode directories does not occur with python3. As the 0.16 version also has this problem I don't think it is related to the changes I have made to the FreeCADInit.py...
2017-03-19 12:11:51
trygvis
markvandenborre: if you just want a simple case I'd look at makercase.com
2017-03-19 12:12:26
trygvis
that is the quickest way to get your box, but if you really want to get into freecad I have a plugin that create similar objects in freecad
2017-03-19 12:12:34
trygvis
https://trygvis.io/git/2016/05/freecad-boxer.git/
2017-03-19 12:17:36
markvandenborre
trygvis: thank you for your hints
2017-03-19 12:17:45
markvandenborre
it's not a box style case I'm looking to build
2017-03-19 12:17:54
markvandenborre
more a kind of sliced layers case
2017-03-19 12:18:07
markvandenborre
layers of 3mm ply on top of eachother
2017-03-19 12:18:15
markvandenborre
with a curvy outside shape
2017-03-19 12:18:37
markvandenborre
thank you for your hint about the case building plugin though
2017-03-19 12:18:55
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) mark, check arch panel... look in the forum for yoriks post about it
2017-03-19 12:19:10
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) it just got direct support in the path WB
2017-03-19 12:20:06
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) i am not sure if it best way for you, but it is probaly something to check
2017-03-19 12:21:56
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) is it what you want something like in this topic https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14038&start=30 ?
2017-03-19 12:25:13
markvandenborre
sasobadovinac: yes, that last post is exactly the kind of thing I need
2017-03-19 12:25:35
markvandenborre
I guess the history of that post will tell me exactly how this was built
2017-03-19 12:25:46
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) that workflow was a bit more manual
2017-03-19 12:26:05
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) FreeCAD developemnt is fast
2017-03-19 12:26:22
markvandenborre
you mean there are more recent developments that make things much easier?
2017-03-19 12:26:23
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) here is a topic on yorik's panel https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19245&p=149539
2017-03-19 12:27:00
markvandenborre
or at least, recent development yields the possibility of doing it in a more automated way...
2017-03-19 12:27:22
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) just few days ago this was upgraded even further where the panes are directly supported in FC path WB (for cnc)
2017-03-19 12:28:22
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but you will have to research a bit more about it yourself or maybe yorik or sliptonic can help you further
2017-03-19 12:28:54
markvandenborre
ah, that would be nice indeed
2017-03-19 12:29:12
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) it is probably best if you start a forum topic
2017-03-19 12:29:35
markvandenborre
I guess I should first start (re)learning some basics about freecad
2017-03-19 12:30:28
markvandenborre
I was the avid supporter of this work, having yorik fly to FOSDEM some time ago, but I'm a very very humble kind of user
2017-03-19 12:31:27
markvandenborre
sasobadovinac: thank you for your hints
2017-03-19 12:31:35
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) there is always something new to learn with FC :)
2017-03-19 12:57:05
markvandenborre
how do I use my Lenovo laptop trackpad with scrolling sensitivity and three "mouse buttons" and a "nipple"
2017-03-19 12:57:21
markvandenborre
to rotate the view of my object?
2017-03-19 13:05:51
markvandenborre
never mind, found a way to do that
2017-03-19 14:01:41
doublehp
when I arch-draw-walls on this, i don't see them; when i calidate sketch i have one missing coincidence: http://dl.free.fr/bNYG41aEN (4KB)
2017-03-19 14:04:26
doublehp
*Validate sketch
2017-03-19 14:05:08
doublehp
and whgen i fix the missing coin, I get redundant; in either case, FreeCAD complains ...
2017-03-19 14:12:38
doublehp
after restarting app, i see walls on some lines, but not all
2017-03-19 15:46:45
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) @sasobadovinac that breakpad stuff would be very interesting to set up, I bet for every 10 FreeCAD crashes that occur "in the wild" probably less than 1 actually gets reported
2017-03-19 15:49:47
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) There is a lot of great inspiration for running a FOSS project that can be taken from the LibreOffice people, although of course they have WAY, way more resources and people
2017-03-19 16:14:11
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) @kkremitzki I have opened a forum topic about it so it can be better reviewed and discussed https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=21421
2017-03-19 16:27:14
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @looooo - sorry, didn't mean to imply your changes broke it. Was more thinking that Python 3 is more likely to generate unicode strings, and so perhaps make that issue more likely. Is the plan to switch everything to Python 3 soonish, or are we planning on offering Python 2 and 3 versions for some time (basically, is it worth fixing that issue)?
2017-03-19 16:36:36
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @doublehp your sketch is too "busy". It contains too many elements for Arch Wall. You need to create two separate sketches: one for the lower 4-sided closed profile with three lines inside it, and one for the rest. Then you can create two Arch Walls.
2017-03-19 16:38:43
doublehp
have been reading your line 4 times, i don't understand the middle part: "one for the lower 4-sided closed profile with three lines inside it"
2017-03-19 16:40:45
doublehp
I don't understand if 4-sided closed profile is to be used for one building (each line being an outside wall), or for each wall (thus, each line from my sketch which designates one wall, will become 4 lines to precisely describe the said wall)
2017-03-19 16:45:45
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @doublehp please start with @normandc so I get a notification someone replied to me. IMO chats suck for appropriate FreeCAD help, the forum is so much more suited to that. Check this file : https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8EXnjMkh8zVaXRSU0l3ZmZQN00/view?usp=sharing
2017-03-19 16:46:43
doublehp
i rarely forget quoting ; I use IRC client; posted that matter on the forum in the mean time
2017-03-19 16:47:39
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @doublehp yet you did it again. <rolling eyes>
2017-03-19 16:48:23
doublehp
it was not a line that really needed your attention; i will quote when I have worked on your file
2017-03-19 16:52:16
doublehp
normandc now I understand what you meant by "3 lines inside"; so, what is the max number of elements per sketch to get walls ? if you say I should not exceed, let say, 8 lines per sketch, does it mean I will have to split my final project (300 elements) into 40 sub sketches ?
2017-03-19 16:54:05
doublehp
@normandc i could reproduce your method, and got good result.
2017-03-19 16:55:50
doublehp
but I can NOT split my real project into 40 sub sketches, because, elements are inter-dependant; putting them in seperate sketches will prevent me from establishing constraints, unless there is a way to create constraints between sketches (don't think so)
2017-03-19 17:00:25
doublehp
@normandc i have a sketch with 4 lines, and it draws only 3 walls
2017-03-19 17:06:51
doublehp
@normandc one sketch with 4 lines, when I do Arch-Walls, I got only 3 walls. https://drive.google.com/a/demaine.info/file/d/0B21isvLhQPTyVFpqVF96c2l4RTA/view?usp=sharing
2017-03-19 17:10:32
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) @ianrrees you can perhaps help as I am lost on the new part designs tuff
2017-03-19 17:10:43
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=21424
2017-03-19 17:11:34
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) How does the FreeCAD tree should look like with a STEP file assembly
2017-03-19 17:11:57
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) I am trying to define the mapping between STEP object and new PartDesign/Body structure and got to nowhere up to now
2017-03-19 17:15:10
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) My understanding (and this might be completely wrong) is that Part objects are meant to be sort of "super containers" that can hold anything, and Body objects are meant to contain only geometry that's made in Part Design.
2017-03-19 17:15:42
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) It is my understanding too.
2017-03-19 17:16:00
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) but it looks like that I can't move a Part Object into another Part Object
2017-03-19 17:16:01
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) so I would guess that the STEP nodes would be Part objects
2017-03-19 17:16:11
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) roughly currently STEP nodes are Part Objects
2017-03-19 17:16:25
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) and I got a flat tree even by trying to push them into the root node
2017-03-19 17:16:55
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) and when I am doing it through the UI, I have a crazy amount of reference plane which doesn't move into the root node Part
2017-03-19 17:17:35
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) I am still drawing STEP leaf node using Part::Feature (old style)
2017-03-19 17:17:43
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) and allocate them into new PartDesign
2017-03-19 17:17:51
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) which works great
2017-03-19 17:18:37
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) yeah, I think there's something broken about the tree view with regards to the reference planes
2017-03-19 17:18:51
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) but it is super hard to represent the tree, or there is something I totally missed
2017-03-19 17:18:57
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) (remember I am at C++ levele)
2017-03-19 17:20:28
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) don't know - I've only written that mesh exporter thing for the new Part Design, which doesn't have to create anything new in the document tree
2017-03-19 17:20:44
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) lucky you are ;)
2017-03-19 17:20:54
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) lol
2017-03-19 17:21:33
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I'm sure ickby or deepsoic will be able to get it sorted for you
2017-03-19 17:22:09
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) quite sure too. will see if they answer on the forum, this is just frustrating to me, as I do have some time to progress ;), (end of sunday in EUrope)
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