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2017-03-19 20:04:46
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) @vejmarie maybe this PR will be useful for you https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=21334
2017-03-19 20:39:48
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) the forum staging environment is now working: https://freecad.io/forum/
2017-03-19 20:40:21
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) It redirects upon logging in to freecadweb.org for some reason though
2017-03-19 20:47:26
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) @Patola yep
2017-03-19 20:54:18
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Alright, logging in now works in the staging forum
2017-03-19 21:10:12
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Is it possible to set up a private group room within the FreeCAD gitter?
2017-03-19 21:16:37
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) @kkremitzki I don't think so
2017-03-19 21:16:50
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) we tried unsseccessfully last week I think
2017-03-19 21:27:22
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz it works, I guess. PR622 is merged and the related bugs are fixed. Unless @yorik did all the markings by himself.
2017-03-19 21:45:58
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @kkremitzki - you can make separate rooms, but AFAICT they are only private in that they are separate from the this room
2017-03-19 21:46:52
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) There was a MacOS one at one point - I think @bblacey set it up?
2017-03-19 21:47:59
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) The macOS room is still there, click on Communities --> FreeCAD to display all current rooms
2017-03-19 21:49:54
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @normandc - mine only shows this FreeCAD room, I think I might've "hidden" the Mac one at some point
2017-03-19 21:51:50
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @normandc @kkremitzki - aha! The little globe icon at the top-right "More FreeCAD rooms"
2017-03-19 21:51:50
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @ianrrees what if you click on the Home link? https://gitter.im/FreeCAD/home
2017-03-19 21:52:28
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @ianrrees that's it! Same link as home
2017-03-19 21:53:58
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) I wish we created more specialized rooms to cut the noise ratio on the channel and organize thematic discussions. But I'm not sure rooms are synchronized by the FreeCADGitterBot...
2017-03-19 21:54:25
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) I guess I want the Gitter channel to look like the forum ;)
2017-03-19 21:54:32
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) We should probably only have 1 room synced with IRC otherwise it'd be kinda barraged
2017-03-19 22:02:44
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @normandc - have you often seen multiple conversations overlapping here, or are you more worried about catching up with the previous conversation when you sign on?
2017-03-19 22:05:25
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @ianrrees catching up, discriminating between multiple simultaneous conversations. Help requests mixed with development talk. It's a damn mess. I've never been an IRC fan because of this.
2017-03-19 22:06:17
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @ianrrees in short, I'd like to see at least two channels: help and devel. But I understand that may create problems with #freecad compatibility.
2017-03-19 22:06:41
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) yeah, I feel like part of that is inherent in chat rooms. The balance is with rooms getting too specialised they become hard to follow if you're interested in multiple topics.
2017-03-19 22:14:32
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) Private rooms AFAIK were a paid feature but should get avaiable to all now that Gitter is under Gitlab
2017-03-19 22:15:16
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) There is also a feature in development that will make it possible to work a bit like a forum
2017-03-19 22:17:06
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) Check and Gitlab blogs for more info about it
2017-03-19 22:17:07
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale it looks like the the git commit message change worked and this tickets were closed (not manually by yorik)
2017-03-19 22:20:02
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) https://about.gitlab.com/2017/03/15/gitter-acquisition/
2017-03-19 22:23:58
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @sasobadovinac nice, thanks for the link.
2017-03-19 22:47:01
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @kkremitzki https://freecad.io/wiki/User_hub the icons are wacky (sizes have been altered)
2017-03-19 23:23:28
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) aaargh... stumbling in yet another problem... Why I can't change the placement of this simple mirroredsketch? I try to change the values and even went to the placement dialog... the dialog seems to be changing it but when I click apply or ok, it reset to the previous place. This is a sketch, so I should be able to move it, right??? http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1489965886.png
2017-03-19 23:26:33
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I love FreeCAD but on the other hand I hate when it refuses to do what I want it to do!
2017-03-19 23:27:18
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I even had to mirror this sketch because it wouldn't rotate the original sketch in the first place
2017-03-19 23:44:43
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I can't even reorient my sketch!!!!
2017-03-19 23:56:12
XXCoder
sigh annoying bug
2017-03-19 23:56:25
XXCoder
the size input does allow math ops
2017-03-19 23:56:32
XXCoder
say if I want 3.6mm / 2
2017-03-19 23:56:35
XXCoder
it works
2017-03-19 23:56:51
XXCoder
but if I want say 2.3 - 1.1 it will error out because of more than one .
2017-03-19 23:57:01
XXCoder
cant it evaluate first before error check
2017-03-19 23:59:23
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola you don't give enough information to figure out the problem. How was that mirrorsketch created? Your screen capture doesn't even shows it listed in the Model tree. I'm sure you teach your students to be explicit in their questions...
2017-03-20 00:02:24
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) @normandc yes, sorry, I was in that one of frustrating moments where you try and do everything and it does not work. I created a floating sketch (not attached to any face) with some constraints, then used the mirrored clone to make it symmetric, then when I tried to get it rotated and translated to pad some wall it would not move. I am redoing it from scratch, but maybe you can understand what I am doing wrong. I don't know if it is onl
2017-03-20 00:02:24
FreeCADBot2
try to study every material about FreeCAD, and I always get stuck at these kind of frustrating moments. I have read yorik's book, I have even read general parametric modeling guidelines to 'make it right'. Hold on, I will get the file for you
2017-03-20 00:02:57
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) And I am really grateful for your good will.
2017-03-20 00:04:27
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola you talk or "mirrored clone" but there is no such tool in FreeCAD. Do you mean Part Mirror?
2017-03-20 00:06:00
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola sorry, forget what I wrote, just remembered the Mirror Sketch utility in the Sketcher
2017-03-20 00:06:21
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) the tool in sketcher where you 'create symmetric geometry'...
2017-03-20 00:06:23
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) yes, that's it
2017-03-20 00:07:41
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8WZj6JJHZDwdkhmU0hxM05Mam8 it's Sketcher002 that's unmovable
2017-03-20 00:08:59
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I do not even need to solve the problem for that particular sketch; I just need to understand what is it that prevents it from moving so I can make it again, but right. I fail to understand FreeCAD's way of working at times.
2017-03-20 00:10:55
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola then sorry, but that's the intended behaviour of the Sketcher and PartDesign workbenches: you can never move an object that is based on an existing sketch. If you need to change the object's placement, you need to change the original sketch's placement. That being said, you can also edit the MirroredSketch and move the profile in relation to its sketch origin. Unfortunately, once the sketch is mirrored, its content is not link
2017-03-20 00:10:55
FreeCADBot2
sketch, only its placement.
2017-03-20 00:11:23
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I tried that
2017-03-20 00:11:34
XXCoder
so thats why there is new "body" in daily?
2017-03-20 00:11:43
XXCoder
so body can move coord without altering sketches?
2017-03-20 00:11:49
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I backtracked to the original sketch, got a way to transform it directly and it still wasn't moving
2017-03-20 00:12:14
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I was trying to move Sketch002, not MirroredSketch
2017-03-20 00:13:14
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola Sketch002 is mapped to Fillet, any mapped sketch cannot be moved independently.
2017-03-20 00:14:28
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I know but I even unmapped the sketch and tried to move it
2017-03-20 00:17:22
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola Sketch002 is not unmapped. Go to Part Design or Sketcher menu --> Reorient sketch. A dialog will ask you if you want to detach it from its support. Click yes. Then a second dialog appears to select the sketch orientation. Click Cancel to keep the sketch where it is. Now it's detached from Fillet and can be moved.
2017-03-20 00:17:54
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) But you need to refresh first, notice the blue checkmark on the Sketch icon in the tree.
2017-03-20 00:19:48
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @XXCoder the FreeCAD forum is where you will get the most info, not on IRC nor on Gitter. For changes to PartDesign in 0.17-dev, read https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15432
2017-03-20 00:20:29
XXCoder
thanks normandc
2017-03-20 00:21:08
XXCoder
bore on cylinder without hacks? dang nice
2017-03-20 00:21:21
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @XXCoder look for the "Useful links" at the bottom, specifically "Updated PartDesign workflow" and "What's new in PartDesign Next", they give some explanations.
2017-03-20 00:22:01
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) @normandc thank you, I am sure I tried something like that, and I would select the sketch and try the reorient entry but it would be greyed out (this was later, after I had messed with it a little more). That's twice today that I had a tantrum and you proved me lame, I don't know how I can get FreeCAD so wrongly. I will try to improve and I can only apologize.
2017-03-20 00:22:14
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @XXCoder: there's a danger in trying out 0.17, you won't want to go back to 0.16! But keep in mind more changes might be coming that will break existing files made in the current 0.17.
2017-03-20 00:22:27
XXCoder
yeah im not using .17 yet
2017-03-20 00:22:39
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) not very good for a FreeCAD teacher, I know
2017-03-20 00:25:07
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola no need to apologize, I should have added a smiley in my last barb. ;) FreeCAD can indeed be frustrating. I've been using it for such a long time sometimes I forget I had to learn it first. The advantage I have over most is that I was there very early, 7 years ago, and I saw the additions and new features added progressively, so I had a long time to digest everything. Well, of course not everything. There are still great gaps
2017-03-20 00:25:07
FreeCADBot2
knowledge.
2017-03-20 00:25:27
XXCoder
my first experence was 0.13
2017-03-20 00:25:29
XXCoder
ugh
2017-03-20 00:25:42
XXCoder
then i discovered its linux distro copy that was ancient
2017-03-20 00:25:46
XXCoder
yay 0.16
2017-03-20 00:26:32
XXCoder
its sad that pretty often in here I ask "do you know 0.16 is latest" and answer is "no..."
2017-03-20 00:26:42
XXCoder
distros really need to update faster.
2017-03-20 00:27:44
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) when I ty and map it to a face, it seems to reset the Sketch's coordinates, and then I can't move it again. Is there any way to prevent it, or somehow 'apply' the translation transformation so it gets shift to the right place on the face?
2017-03-20 00:27:46
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) 0.9 was my first. Sketcher didn't exist, not PartDesign, Arch and a boatload of others.
2017-03-20 00:27:59
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) wow.
2017-03-20 00:28:11
XXCoder
dang
2017-03-20 00:28:46
XXCoder
one thing I wish is possible is easy discovery of noncontrained stuff
2017-03-20 00:29:16
XXCoder
ah finally found missing
2017-03-20 00:29:16
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) I was there when 3 developers were working on the Sketcher/PartDesign daily and each day there was new stuff. It was amazing.
2017-03-20 00:29:38
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) @Patola Do you know these tools? https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Std_DependencyGraph and https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Part_CheckGeometry
2017-03-20 00:30:55
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola unfortunately in 0.16, as soon as you map a sketch to a face, it adopts the face coordinate system. There is simply no way around that. In 0.17-dev, there is now a new "super-Placement" set of properties that supersedes the basic Placement.
2017-03-20 00:31:15
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) Yes, I might as well use 0.17 then
2017-03-20 00:31:24
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) will have to create part/ body elements for it tho
2017-03-20 00:31:48
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) sort of. But not too deeply.
2017-03-20 00:31:48
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) > @Patola Do you know these tools? https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Std_DependencyGraph and https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Part_CheckGeometry
2017-03-20 00:33:16
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @XXCoder what Linux distro are you using? Lazy updates is why I pushed for then managed the Ubuntu PPA for 4 years. Now @sgrogan is in charge!
2017-03-20 00:33:19
XXCoder
"It is not needed anymore that a sketch is located on a face of a feature. Even if created anywhere in the 3d space the features get added / subtracted from the body"
2017-03-20 00:33:26
XXCoder
xfce mint
2017-03-20 00:33:32
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) @normandc I found out why I was stuck; the reorient face appears greyed out when you're in the part design workbench, it is only when you change to the sketcher workbench that it turns selectable. As I almost always use part design when dealing with sketches, I was not finding a way to detach my sketch
2017-03-20 00:34:18
XXCoder
heh that feature can make real nightmare of a model. just like C flexiability means can ave nightmare of c program lol
2017-03-20 00:36:00
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @XXCoder you mean the text you just quoted? Actually I think not requiring to map a sketch on a face will allow us to make more robust models. The difference now is you can map your sketch to the Body's base planes or custom datum planes.
2017-03-20 00:36:10
XXCoder
indeed
2017-03-20 00:36:46
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola I encountered the same thing in your file and found it odd. It was the first time that Reorient sketch would be greyed out for me in the partDesign workbench.
2017-03-20 00:38:48
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @XXCoder, re: xfce mint, so I'm guessing you're using the Ubuntu PPA? We also have an AppImage for other distros, but it was only made for 64-Bit. It was provided by the developer of AppImage, we need to figure out how to produce them ourselves... Or better, someone new to volunteer to take care of them.
2017-03-20 00:39:00
XXCoder
ppa yeah
2017-03-20 00:39:26
XXCoder
techinically im developer lol but been too long
2017-03-20 00:40:31
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @XXCoder one thing that 0.17 needs to improve is the Sketch attachment utility. For example it's not obvious how to create a parallel datum plane. You create a plane on an existing base plane then you need to edit the super Placement Z property.
2017-03-20 00:42:46
XXCoder
I love blue draft lines and features
2017-03-20 00:42:50
XXCoder
makes some stuff so much easier.
2017-03-20 05:51:22
waynr
howdy folks
2017-03-20 05:51:49
waynr
i'm curious if anyone can tell me why my property values in freecad won't go above a particular limit
2017-03-20 05:54:35
waynr
i am attempting to model an underground shaft structure using a simple cube mesh for the site terrain with a cylinder mesh to represent the shaft
2017-03-20 05:55:13
waynr
both the cube and the cylinder won't accept values larger than 1000 mm
2017-03-20 05:57:52
waynr
i'm probably just misunderstanding how to use freecad
2017-03-20 06:52:16
doublehp
waynr: i have created sketch lines up to 35km , with 0.001 mm precision
2017-03-20 06:53:57
doublehp
waynr: i will assume PEBCAK, you probably did not "really try values larger than 1000", but rather, was mistaken between dot and comma, which is a localisation issue, and FreeCAD sux on this point
2017-03-20 06:54:16
XXCoder
yeah, it follows usa standard
2017-03-20 06:54:24
XXCoder
which 1,000 is 1000 and not 1.000
2017-03-20 06:54:32
XXCoder
or 1
2017-03-20 06:54:40
doublehp
waynr: don't try to create directly a cilinder part part; rather try to extrude from a sketch
2017-03-20 06:54:59
XXCoder
yeah I dont even bother with stock parts, I just go stright to sketch
2017-03-20 06:55:35
doublehp
XXCoder: sketches sux when you want your cilinder oriented 18.59°
2017-03-20 06:55:52
XXCoder
0.17 it will suck less
2017-03-20 06:56:10
XXCoder
as you can rotate sketches in respect to face its on
2017-03-20 06:56:17
XXCoder
and yes sketch on cylinder also
2017-03-20 06:56:43
XXCoder
its little risk though as file standards for 0.17 is not finalized yet
2017-03-20 06:56:57
XXCoder
so your 0.17 save may become incompitable with later 0.17
2017-03-20 06:59:49
XXCoder
bye hp I guess heh
2017-03-20 07:19:04
XXCoder
waynr: ya there
2017-03-20 07:35:33
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) XXCoder: The decimal point bug was fixed sometime in October.
2017-03-20 07:35:52
XXCoder
one in math expression? nice
2017-03-20 07:36:02
XXCoder
havent had to do that for while so didnt know it was fixed.
2017-03-20 07:39:55
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) XXCoder: My first PR, rejected though it was :smile: :
2017-03-20 07:40:10
XXCoder
ah problem report?
2017-03-20 07:40:31
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) XXCoder pull request
2017-03-20 07:40:40
XXCoder
ahh
2017-03-20 08:16:09
linex
The pace at which 0.17 is developing is amazing. Wow! Cannot wait to start using it. Approx date of release ?
2017-03-20 08:16:21
XXCoder
dunno but agreed!
2017-03-20 08:16:34
XXCoder
the ability to sketch at angle alone...
2017-03-20 08:16:53
linex
Assembly is integrated ?
2017-03-20 08:17:07
XXCoder
dunno
2017-03-20 08:17:12
linex
And Animation ?
2017-03-20 08:18:32
linex
Actually, I only use the part design, part, draft and sketcher workbenches. They are awesome as there are now.
2017-03-20 08:19:00
linex
I think a lot of development is for the other workbenches.
2017-03-20 08:19:11
XXCoder
yeah though I would loce sketch to be also be its own program, for 2d designing
2017-03-20 10:17:32
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I can't get the body and part stuff
2017-03-20 10:18:12
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) every time freecad 0.17 complains about "select an edge, face or body from an active body", even for a simple fillet
2017-03-20 10:29:08
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) @Patola I am also a little bit lost, but we will understand I am pretty sure ;)
2017-03-20 10:29:36
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) where there is an explanation or solution for that? I have been googling for hours...
2017-03-20 10:30:04
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) who knows this info?? it seems that even experienced users/developers like you and normandc do not know how it works
2017-03-20 10:32:28
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) @Patola this is new features on a development version which explain why you can't use it and this is work in progress. ickby and DeepSOIC are the one who drives these changes currently. They are putting a lot of efforts to make work the new workflow.
2017-03-20 10:33:37
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I had to use freecad 0.17 because of the whole angled sketches feature
2017-03-20 10:34:10
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I will not go into a tantrum the third type. But I got a job that I needed to finish and I think I won't make it.
2017-03-20 10:34:11
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) it is fine, 0.17 is having a lot of very interesting new features, but this is not (yet) a stable release.
2017-03-20 10:34:15
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) *third time
2017-03-20 10:35:20
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) What I understood from the new workflow, is that everything which is drawn using the sketcher in new part design shall be put inside a body otherwise you will experience issues
2017-03-20 10:36:51
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I did that
2017-03-20 10:36:53
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) anyway
2017-03-20 10:37:03
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I think I found a solution
2017-03-20 10:37:12
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) great
2017-03-20 10:37:16
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) once I got my preciousssss angled sketch, I reopened it in 0.16
2017-03-20 10:37:21
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) now I can fillet everything
2017-03-20 10:40:31
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) good (even if this shouldn't be done that way)
2017-03-20 10:51:32
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I am sure what I am doing is some kind of deadly sin. But it's working
2017-03-20 10:51:53
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I am filleting everything
2017-03-20 11:16:01
XXCoder
i always do fillets and such last, and save first
2017-03-20 11:16:09
XXCoder
fillets and chamfers is mean
2017-03-20 11:16:36
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I was using that too but now I got mad
2017-03-20 11:16:58
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) so it's like retribution for freecad trolling me up all night
2017-03-20 11:18:11
XXCoder
cam functions is worse, its possible to make changes that cannot be undone
2017-03-20 11:18:16
XXCoder
dunno in 0.17
2017-03-20 11:18:39
XXCoder
0.16 got better on Path though, not as hard to undo some stuff
2017-03-20 14:17:41
waynr
XXCoder: I'm here, was just sleeping
2017-03-20 21:34:58
Jin|away
hi, how do I find a particular version in git? I do not see any relase tags... I tried to find some info in github and in the wiki but either I missed it or its not there.. I know I could just download a release tarball, but I'd prefer to check out the respective git rev
2017-03-20 21:40:22
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) Hi Jin, not sure I understand your question - what "particular version" are you looking for?
2017-03-20 21:40:51
Jin^eLD
0.16, but i just wanted to check out the commit in git instead of dowloading the tarball
2017-03-20 21:42:10
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) `git checkout tags/0.16` if I'm not mistaken
2017-03-20 21:43:06
Jin^eLD
actually I should have just tried git tag -l :) stupid me...
2017-03-20 21:43:23
Jin^eLD
I did not see the tag when going through the commits and then somehow tried v0.16, but it's just 0.16, thank you
2017-03-20 21:43:59
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) np, that said the actual builds we have in releases may be a few commits past where the tag was applied - I can't remember for sure
2017-03-20 21:44:42
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) the download names have a bit of the git hash in them
2017-03-20 21:44:46
Jin^eLD
probably not that critical, I was just told pre 0.17 is not so production ready yet and I need to recompile 0.16 because I updated the opencascade library
2017-03-20 21:45:09
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) It's your choice, but if you're building from source anyways I'd just go with 0.17
2017-03-20 21:45:31
Jin^eLD
on the forums I was told it's likely to fail/destroy some models
2017-03-20 21:46:48
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) Just depends on what your use case is - doesn't hurt to build each and have a look
2017-03-20 21:48:24
Jin^eLD
well, my case is this one: http://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21413 but the assumption is that it's OCC's fault
2017-03-20 21:48:36
Jin^eLD
however newer OCC has a different ABI version so I will have to recompile FreeCAD after updating OCC
2017-03-20 22:05:37
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) Should https://freecadweb.org/tracker/view.php?id=2896 stay open as a feature request for more advanced bspline support in Draft WB or just close it since the functionality that OP is trying to get are attainable through other WBs ?
2017-03-20 22:10:21
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) wow
2017-03-20 22:10:30
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) that guy said he can read C++ but not python
2017-03-20 22:10:35
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) that's weird
2017-03-20 22:10:53
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @kkremitzki you're a beast. thanks for setting up the staging forum, wiki, and tracker
2017-03-20 22:11:00
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Thank you
2017-03-20 22:11:03
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) <hats off>
2017-03-20 22:11:15
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) all through FTP.. LOL
2017-03-20 22:14:57
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) need to start a new campaign to get votes for https://tracker.phpbb.com/browse/PHPBB3-13713
2017-03-20 22:15:08
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @mentions in php-bb
2017-03-20 22:15:45
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Yeah that would be nice
2017-03-20 22:16:33
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) It would probably be possible with some sort of custom bbcode that is a clone of [quote] but adds a class to the HTML element so it can be styled to not look like a quote via CSS
2017-03-20 22:17:42
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) can't seem to create an account on their tracker
2017-03-20 22:38:05
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) http://www.cio.com/article/3177935/application-development/google-ignites-python-library-for-command-lines.html
2017-03-20 22:39:14
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) `pip install fire` :)
2017-03-20 22:53:14
simonvanderveldt
Any package maintainers around? If so I'd very much appreciate your input on this https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/pull/617#issuecomment-287653497
2017-03-20 23:05:09
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) simonvanderveldt - sorry, can't really discuss at the moment, but I think that conversation at the PR probably should be happening on the forum instead, since it's about the intent of the changes rather than the changes themselves.
2017-03-20 23:13:54
simonvanderveldt
@ianrrees I can create a topic on the forum if that's preferred
2017-03-20 23:17:28
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) simonvanderveldt - that would be great if you don't mind - we tend to use the forum a bit more heavily than a lot of github based projects (and it helps cut down the email noise). I'm not really a "package maintainer" as such, but help out with the MacOS on occasion. Will try to get caught up and comment after work.
2017-03-20 23:21:36
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) > `Jin^eLD` 0.16, but i just wanted to check out the commit in git instead of dowloading the tarball
2017-03-20 23:25:11
simonvanderveldt
ianrrees: cool, will do!
2017-03-20 23:30:16
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) "git checkout releases/FreeCAD-0-16" FreeCAD Tags the release, then branches, backported bug fixes will be available on the release branch.
2017-03-21 01:19:55
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Video tags are now working on the forum again
2017-03-21 01:31:07
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) boom shakalaka
2017-03-21 02:25:10
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) Jin^eLD as I wrote in your forum topic, the latest OCC supported by releases/FreeCAD-0-16 is 6.9.1 and no later. FreeCAD will not compile with OCC >=7.
2017-03-21 02:29:41
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @luzpaz I agree with your assessment of issue #2896 although I don't know if it will ever be filled. Draft BSplines have seen practically no improvements of features since they were added about 5 years ago by a developer from which is was the single contribution.
2017-03-21 04:34:56
waynr
hmm strangely i can create an ellipsoid mesh but not an ellipsoid part
2017-03-21 04:35:43
waynr
i can create parts that are thousands of km long but not meshes that are thousands of km long, in fact the size properties for meshes don't seem to accept values > 1000.0 and don't show units
2017-03-21 04:35:59
waynr
so i'm pretty certain at this point i don't understand meshes or their purpose
2017-03-21 04:36:20
waynr
other than that this architectural tutorial is telling me to use a mesh as the terrain for a site object
2017-03-21 04:36:58
waynr
my goal right now is to model the property i live on (more or less) and the ground for a few hundred meters below it
2017-03-21 04:37:20
waynr
i am okay treating the property as an unrealistically flat plane for now
2017-03-21 04:37:58
waynr
so probably a cube mesh would be fine but i don't see how to make it larger than 1000.0 (unitless)
2017-03-21 04:42:02
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) waynr - what version of FreeCAD are you using, and what tutorial are you referring to?
2017-03-21 04:42:30
waynr
tutorial: https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Arch_Site
2017-03-21 04:42:44
waynr
FreeCAD 0.16
2017-03-21 04:54:10
waynr
so i have an ellipsoid mesh with Radius1=10.00 and Radius2=100.00, when I use the ruler/measure to measure the diameter (roughly) it shows about 200 mm
2017-03-21 04:59:48
mozzarella
is it possible to do assembly in freecad?
2017-03-21 05:12:06
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) mozzarella, check out assembly-2 and DeepSOIC's part-o-magic
2017-03-21 05:49:54
FreeCADBot2
(looooo) @kkremitzki there are some issues with the new StartPage.py and python3:
2017-03-21 05:49:54
FreeCADBot2
(looooo) - please use relative imports (from .TranslationTexts import ....)
2017-03-21 05:49:54
FreeCADBot2
(looooo) - "a bytes-like object is required, not 'str'" I think this is caused by the "with open("name", "r") as file"-lines in StartPage.py (r->rb)
2017-03-21 07:50:54
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) waynr - sorry about the slow response. I don't know much about the arch site workbench, but the regular mesh handling stuff in FreeCAD seems to handle enormous scale meshes without issue (I just made a STL of a sphere a few hundred km in diameter), at least in 0.17. That tutorial was mostly written well after 0.16 was released, so a first step might be to see if the situation has improved in the newer version.
2017-03-21 11:29:21
superjamie
hello. i'm following the Basic_modeling_tutorial and am up to Part_Fillet but Part->Fillet is greyed out, any idea why and how i can use the fillet tool?
2017-03-21 11:29:43
superjamie
running freecad 0.15 on ubuntu 16.04
2017-03-21 11:32:10
Gegsite
try to select a line
2017-03-21 11:33:14
Gegsite
btw I'm on freecad-daily and have a hard time to make a revolution after making a involuteGear...I want a shaft hole in the gear....
2017-03-21 11:33:31
superjamie
Gegsite: still no go after selecting a line or face
2017-03-21 11:35:35
superjamie
i will try update to the official 0.16 package
2017-03-21 11:44:22
superjamie
okay, with 0.16 ppa package, and making the tutorial again, i can fillet
2017-03-21 11:44:24
superjamie
hooray
2017-03-21 12:19:35
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz appears like the issues are closed even when "fixes" is not used in the commit message. From what I read in the link you gave me, we don't want that.
2017-03-21 12:40:41
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale not good. can you show an example ?
2017-03-21 12:50:28
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) Will https://www.freecadweb.org/tracker/view.php?id=2637 be backported?
2017-03-21 13:26:49
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) PR 633 @luzpaz @
2017-03-21 13:53:05
waynr
ianrrees cool, i'll build and install 0.17 tonight
2017-03-21 15:27:18
markvandenborre
yorik: this arch panel tool is potentially something really nice for building a layered laser cut case
2017-03-21 15:27:21
markvandenborre
thx for that!
2017-03-21 16:30:44
yorik
hey markvandenborre, glad to see you here! Glad you found it useful... This panel tool is beginning to go well beyond arch! ;)
2017-03-21 16:52:39
sliptonic
yorik: More questions about panels.
2017-03-21 16:53:48
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) @sgrogan there was a new release of ifcopenshell https://github.com/IfcOpenShell/IfcOpenShell/releases/tag/v0.5.0-preview2
2017-03-21 16:54:12
sliptonic
In the 'edit views positions' dialog, if the view is not straight down, dragging the tags or panel cuts also moves them in Z. This causes a problem when I use DraftGeomUtils.isPlanar() to check holes are drillable.
2017-03-21 16:54:24
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) I did some test and it seems to run ok, can we have it packed in Win builds?
2017-03-21 16:54:48
sliptonic
Because the panel sheet is no longer planar, I don't find holes.
2017-03-21 16:55:12
sliptonic
or rather, because it's not planar, I look for faces and finding none, give up.
2017-03-21 16:55:34
sliptonic
It's ultimately a user error but so easy to make and subtle it'll cause a problem.
2017-03-21 16:56:57
sliptonic
markvandenborre: I'm working on exactly that for Path workbench!
2017-03-21 17:14:47
markvandenborre
yorik: I'm really happy to see where FC is going
2017-03-21 17:14:58
markvandenborre
sliptonic: that is interesting!
2017-03-21 17:15:09
markvandenborre
sliptonic: have you got more info?
2017-03-21 17:18:34
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @kkremitzki looks like we need to add 'and' to the source integration regex: example: `issues #0002953 and #0002942`
2017-03-21 17:22:47
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Ha, much easier said than done
2017-03-21 17:23:13
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) how about: https://regex101.com/r/UQXSeV/1 ?
2017-03-21 17:24:52
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) actually i don't think that is correct
2017-03-21 17:29:50
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) That might work
2017-03-21 17:31:56
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) would be cool if it worked like `fixes #001234 (if PR314 fixes #567889)`
2017-03-21 17:32:38
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) yikes, we might need a regex guru for that
2017-03-21 17:32:47
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) How would it determine the truth value of `PR314 fixes #567889`
2017-03-21 17:33:22
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) We do have two passes to configure regex so its possible to do some anti-matching
2017-03-21 17:33:31
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) lol
2017-03-21 17:33:53
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) does mantis allow for that ?
2017-03-21 17:34:42
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) yeah, the 1st pass regex is the "issue #xyz" stuff you recall, and then the 2nd pass iterates over the results of the 1st with `/#?(\d+)/`
2017-03-21 17:35:21
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) so if `fixes #123 and #456` matches the 1st, the 2nd will get the two matches `#123` and `#456` and work with those
2017-03-21 18:00:28
sliptonic
markvandenborre: I will soon. I'm recording a run-though video on latest changes. It should make clear where I'm headed with it. Still a lot of limitations but I agree that panels are a killer feature for this kind of stuff.
2017-03-21 18:07:43
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) Hey sliptonic, do you mind if i set the status of https://freecadweb.org/tracker/view.php?id=2542 to feedback in order to keep track of it ?
2017-03-21 18:07:59
markvandenborre
sliptonic: if you want, I see an open hardware/free software project that would really benefit from this
2017-03-21 18:08:39
markvandenborre
sliptonic: http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/micro_desktop/news/
2017-03-21 18:09:43
sliptonic
luzpaz, That's fine. It may become less of a priority issue if I figure out how to use realthunder's slicing and offsetting
2017-03-21 18:10:07
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) :+1:
2017-03-21 18:10:43
sliptonic
markvandenborre: are you talking about engraving circuit boards or building enclosures for it?
2017-03-21 18:10:51
markvandenborre
building an enclosure for it
2017-03-21 18:10:59
markvandenborre
possibly with some engraving onto it
2017-03-21 18:11:10
sliptonic
There are a LOT of projects that will benefit but feel free to post.
2017-03-21 18:11:19
sliptonic
:-)
2017-03-21 18:11:48
markvandenborre
I was just thinking out loud because this is something I'm working on a case for anyway, and because it's open hardware
2017-03-21 18:12:00
markvandenborre
& free software
2017-03-21 18:12:42
markvandenborre
and they're actually doing a crowdsupply thing and have a few hundres of them presold already
2017-03-21 18:13:07
markvandenborre
and I promised Luke to look into building the cases
2017-03-21 18:13:35
markvandenborre
(I do laser cutting on an open hardware machine for a small part of my living)
2017-03-21 18:19:44
sliptonic
Well, you'll certainly be an early adopter of this. It got merged this morning and still has a lot of bugs. I keep hitting them as I'm recording the video. :-)
2017-03-21 18:24:15
markvandenborre
:-)
2017-03-21 18:59:44
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz was #2028 resolved? It appears to be open, but the wordings of comments on some of its duplicates suggest it is resolved and only backports are requested. I want to pick it up if it is open
2017-03-21 19:00:51
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale https://freecadweb.org/tracker/view.php?id=2808#c8673
2017-03-21 19:01:13
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) err sorry.. my bad
2017-03-21 19:02:50
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale looks open to me
2017-03-21 19:04:18
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale feel free to make sure all the linked dupes are in fact duplicates.
2017-03-21 19:20:20
Gegsite
hmm that is pretty nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3K8ZOmbBnE&list=PLugc3qgm9ypZMtqNqK0jj9IoJJ8pI5TU-&index=1
2017-03-21 19:21:08
Gegsite
500⬠/ yr...so not my stuff but hope some day freecad will be some smart :P
2017-03-21 19:26:36
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) gegsite, to quote sliptonic, 'we are eagerly awaiting your Pull Requests' :smile:
2017-03-21 19:27:24
Gegsite
HAHA, I bearly know what is pull request so no chance :P
2017-03-21 19:28:28
Gegsite
FreeCADBot2, barely...
2017-03-21 19:32:54
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) @Gegsite what part of it do you like?
2017-03-21 19:34:13
Gegsite
The chamfer and sizeable fillet is neat imho
2017-03-21 19:34:55
Gegsite
FreeCADBot2, also that moded revolution is awesome...
2017-03-21 19:35:21
Gegsite
sorry for OFFing (not an ad, in any way)
2017-03-21 19:38:28
Kunda_
I wonder why the gitter folks don't see the git commits in the chat like it's displayed on IRC
2017-03-21 19:41:41
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) Was just wondering since it looked in general sort of what microelly is already doing in FC
2017-03-21 20:02:40
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @sasobadovinac - I like that duplicate-and-revolve feature, and suppose there's a corresponding linear version. Is that something like microelly's work you're referring to?
2017-03-21 20:10:37
sliptonic
markvandenborre: Tell me if this makes sense: https://youtu.be/HqI1Mnh6NIc
2017-03-21 20:16:55
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) @ianrrees no :)
2017-03-21 20:17:34
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) @sasobadovinac Thanks for the heads up. I've been meaning to compile updated versions, but this is for sure easier.
2017-03-21 20:17:40
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) just in general driving an somewhat complex geometry from multiple profiles
2017-03-21 20:19:45
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) @sgrogan there was no release for a long time, it is why the self compiled version we had was nice, but in general it is IMO preferable if we stay with some release version
2017-03-21 20:20:26
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) unless some killer new feature would come :)
2017-03-21 20:21:10
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @sasobadovinac - I imagine that sort of feature wouldn't be terribly hard to add in to FreeCAD, seems the complexity would be in deciding how to duplicate sketches (which someone may have done already?)
2017-03-21 20:25:27
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) @ianrrees I see this as part of the discussions about a better UX, where you ask yourself for every step you do what would be the next step or even next few steps that 80% of users would do
2017-03-21 20:27:13
markvandenborre
sliptonic: checking
2017-03-21 20:29:09
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) and then you try to make a new tool that does what your existing tools do, but does it faster and easier for the user
2017-03-21 20:29:23
sliptonic
It should be trivially easy to write a macro to section a model and build Arch Panels and PanelCuts from the slices. Then you just build the sheet from the cuts and you're ready to cut it.
2017-03-21 20:30:44
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) for me however it is something that can wait a bit more, the time for this things will come
2017-03-21 20:32:11
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) still a lot of other things to do... but if someone likes to do this now it is of course also ok :)
2017-03-21 20:33:00
sliptonic
That is, if you're talking about a stacked enclosure like this http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:545709
2017-03-21 20:34:42
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but if we can dream a bit in to the future, maybe an AI that learns user modeling habits and suggests a few end results based on the first few sketches... could be nice :)
2017-03-21 20:37:03
markvandenborre
sliptonic: looking at it
2017-03-21 20:37:22
markvandenborre
that is the kind of case we want indeed
2017-03-21 20:39:50
markvandenborre
sliptonic: it might sound trivial to you to build this kind of thing
2017-03-21 20:39:58
markvandenborre
macro I mean
2017-03-21 20:40:11
markvandenborre
but it isn't trivial for me, too much of a freecad learning curve still
2017-03-21 20:41:48
sliptonic
There was someone who posted the core of that exact macro on the forum a couple weeks ago. I'd be happy to help as well. It really isn't difficult.
2017-03-21 20:42:50
markvandenborre
markvandenborre is quite sure he could (help) write something like that given enough FreeCAD background
2017-03-21 20:43:08
markvandenborre
I've written enough dirty python hacks for that :-)
2017-03-21 20:43:35
sliptonic
Well shoot. Welcome to the Path team! That's what we (I) specialize in.
2017-03-21 20:44:53
markvandenborre
first step for me is to play around with the stl
2017-03-21 20:45:02
markvandenborre
http://hands.com/~lkcl/eoma/kde_tablet/3dcase/microdesktop_model2.stl
2017-03-21 20:45:11
markvandenborre
and see if I can get it converted to a solid I guess
2017-03-21 20:45:59
markvandenborre
unless... hm, we can import from openscad directly, right?
2017-03-21 20:47:13
sliptonic
I can't remember what he openscad export options are. Definintely want to get to a solid though. If openscad will spit out a stp or .iges file it's better.
2017-03-21 20:47:46
markvandenborre
it won't...
2017-03-21 20:48:06
markvandenborre
I have either the scad source (but it's a bit hackish, so probably not a good candidate)
2017-03-21 20:48:09
markvandenborre
or an stl export of it
2017-03-21 20:48:33
markvandenborre
so I guess stl -> solidify into step -> build case around it would make most sense
2017-03-21 20:50:08
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) mark, I would be surprised if there is not a macro (or a few) in the forum to cut the model in to profiles :)
2017-03-21 20:53:27
markvandenborre
sasobadovinac: yes, sliptonic hinted in that direction already
2017-03-21 20:53:36
sliptonic
http://i.imgur.com/fBreG31.png Seems to have converted to a solid well.
2017-03-21 20:53:52
markvandenborre
wait, how did you do that?
2017-03-21 20:53:58
markvandenborre
using the mesh design tool?
2017-03-21 20:54:12
sliptonic
1) Import the mesh to a freecad document...
2017-03-21 20:54:43
sliptonic
2) switch to part workbench. Part->Create shape from Mesh
2017-03-21 20:55:08
sliptonic
3) Select resulting shape. Part->convert to solid
2017-03-21 20:55:20
sliptonic
4) select resulting solid Parth->refine shape.
2017-03-21 20:55:23
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) @sliptonic another great feature in FC and a great video for it :+1:
2017-03-21 20:55:26
markvandenborre
I had just found what you meant with 1)
2017-03-21 20:55:35
sliptonic
step 5 Profit.
2017-03-21 20:55:37
markvandenborre
meant I had to change to the mesh design
2017-03-21 20:55:52
markvandenborre
then import the stl from there
2017-03-21 20:56:03
markvandenborre
just to give you an idea how slow I still am with FC
2017-03-21 20:56:07
sliptonic
You can import anywhere. Don't have to be in mesh workbench
2017-03-21 20:56:16
markvandenborre
well, if I do file -> import
2017-03-21 20:56:21
markvandenborre
it will not recognise stl
2017-03-21 20:56:39
markvandenborre
so that's why I was looking around
2017-03-21 20:56:48
sliptonic
please post your freecad info from help page. (handy button to copy to clipboard)
2017-03-21 20:57:31
markvandenborre
https://dpaste.de/R81D
2017-03-21 20:58:17
sliptonic
A bit old but not too bad. You should be able to do File-> import and select .stl from the list
2017-03-21 20:59:34
markvandenborre
sliptonic: ok, never mind; this was a pebkac error
2017-03-21 20:59:41
markvandenborre
entirely on my side
2017-03-21 20:59:57
sliptonic
no sweat :-)
2017-03-21 21:01:30
markvandenborre
sliptonic: at step 2 right now, trying to find this operation
2017-03-21 21:02:04
markvandenborre
ah, in the menu, have to have the object selected obviously
2017-03-21 21:06:14
markvandenborre
sliptonic: step 3 complains: "cannot convert because shape is not a shell"
2017-03-21 21:06:31
markvandenborre
(I kept the default "sewing tolerance" to 0.10 in step 2
2017-03-21 21:06:33
markvandenborre
)
2017-03-21 21:06:51
sliptonic
So did I. Not sure.
2017-03-21 21:06:59
sliptonic
You want me to just send you my file?
2017-03-21 21:07:15
markvandenborre
I would really like to understand mostly
2017-03-21 21:07:28
markvandenborre
but sending it over would also help a bit of course
2017-03-21 21:07:54
sliptonic
Cool.
2017-03-21 21:08:08
sliptonic
Make sure in step 3 your're selecting the output from step 2 not the original mesh
2017-03-21 21:46:32
markvandenborre
hm, not sure what happened
2017-03-21 21:46:36
markvandenborre
I'll try to import again
2017-03-21 21:53:02
markvandenborre
sliptonic: maybe it's because I have a somewhat outdated version of the mesh to solid code?
2017-03-21 21:53:29
sliptonic
Possible. Things change very fast.
2017-03-21 21:55:00
markvandenborre
it's strange, because if I do a check on the mesh , it says it is a solid mesh
2017-03-21 21:55:12
markvandenborre
yet the "is not a shell" seems to imply it isn't
2017-03-21 21:55:43
sliptonic
Does it look right?
2017-03-21 21:56:03
markvandenborre
yes; it's a very simple shape anyway
2017-03-21 21:56:46
sliptonic
Honestly I'm not sure what the difference is between step 2 and 3. I assumed it made a shell first of the outside faces, then tried to fill it. Maybe it just generated a solid in one go.
2017-03-21 21:58:02
markvandenborre
it could also be some instability in the 0.17 pre version of course
2017-03-21 21:58:14
markvandenborre
let me try to do exactly this in 0.16 that is my systemwide install
2017-03-21 21:58:27
markvandenborre
(the 0.17 is the appimage from the freecad website)
2017-03-21 21:59:47
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) Our the newer OCC version?
2017-03-21 21:59:52
markvandenborre
occ?
2017-03-21 22:00:53
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) Opencadcade
2017-03-21 22:01:04
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) You have 6.8
2017-03-21 22:01:22
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) Newer builds have 7.1
2017-03-21 22:01:42
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) Opencascade
2017-03-21 22:02:22
markvandenborre
I see
2017-03-21 22:02:27
markvandenborre
hm, so...
2017-03-21 22:03:32
markvandenborre
I guess that means I have to compile from source
2017-03-21 22:05:03
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) If you will want some of the new tools in path you will have to get a more recent version somehow anyway
2017-03-21 22:05:59
markvandenborre
so that means having to set up a vm to run a development version of FC :-(
2017-03-21 22:07:26
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) why?
2017-03-21 22:07:50
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) @sasobadovinac are you on win or linux? I get the same error on win with occt 7.0. CheckGeometry reports 0 shells, 0 solids, 1 compund on the mesh to shape.
2017-03-21 22:09:24
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) @sgrogan did not really test it :( just saw comments from sliptonic
2017-03-21 22:09:28
markvandenborre
sasobadovinac: I obviously don't want to pollute my system with wobbly dev bits
2017-03-21 22:09:48
markvandenborre
it's fine in my ~, but not outside of that
2017-03-21 22:10:10
markvandenborre
(or in a vm where I can play with whatever I want)
2017-03-21 22:11:19
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) well personally i most of the time prefer to run the dev versions, specially at time like this where it is light years ahead of the older version
2017-03-21 22:11:49
markvandenborre
I agree, that's why I started using the self contained appimage version
2017-03-21 22:12:12
markvandenborre
and why I'm now looking into a clean way to build from source, since the appimage version is two months old
2017-03-21 22:12:29
markvandenborre
I'm happy to notice that that is light years behind the current one
2017-03-21 22:12:33
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) @markvandendorre what distro are you using? On most systems it's possible to run independent/parallel versions. We need work to properly support appimages.
2017-03-21 22:12:38
markvandenborre
that means FC is developing quickly
2017-03-21 22:12:49
markvandenborre
Debian stretch/9.0
2017-03-21 22:13:09
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) and in many ways it is for sure also more stable since a lot of code was fixed and improved
2017-03-21 22:13:18
markvandenborre
the packaged version, plus the latest amd64 appimage
2017-03-21 22:13:39
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) it is true however that sometimes new code can break existing things :)
2017-03-21 22:13:56
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) Give me some minutes. It's possible to build an app image from the Ubuntu PPA eith a two liner.
2017-03-21 22:14:37
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) personally I see release versions of FC more like real betas
2017-03-21 22:14:40
markvandenborre
FC seems to easily be one of the friendliest FOSS projects I've encountered recently
2017-03-21 22:14:46
markvandenborre
so many helpful people
2017-03-21 22:15:07
markvandenborre
the (tiny) bug I filed promptly fixed with a "thank you"
2017-03-21 22:15:40
markvandenborre
asking here on the channel as a newbie and people actually trying to help and succeeding
2017-03-21 22:15:54
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) well you can try to check in the forum if it would be possible to get a new version of the appimage
2017-03-21 22:15:56
markvandenborre
you're part of a winning project, and I thank you for that
2017-03-21 22:16:26
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) guess what, now you are also part of it :)
2017-03-21 22:21:19
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) See this post http://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15525&start=20#p152068 I think you'll get a version equal to the PPA which is usually a day or two behind master. It will use trusty + FreeCAD maintainer packages
2017-03-21 22:23:12
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) there the friendly build magician sgrogan :)
2017-03-21 22:23:57
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) or if you decide in the end to build yourself here is a script from the friendly bernd :) https://gist.github.com/berndhahnebach/f0121616332bfd8609c949967e6cdd36
2017-03-21 22:24:56
markvandenborre
ok, thank you all, I'm off for the night
2017-03-21 22:25:26
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) and i am back to work...
2017-03-21 22:25:39
markvandenborre
see you later!
2017-03-21 23:38:58
sliptonic
Did FreeCAD get very crashy lately? Seems like deleting objects in the tree and then zooming/panning causes a LOT of segfaults
2017-03-21 23:51:53
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) @sliptonic how recently? I haven't noticed.
2017-03-21 23:52:41
sliptonic
last day or two. I think it's related to the tree. I can *almost* replicate it every time. Getting close.
2017-03-22 00:08:48
sliptonic
I got a backtrace and filed bug 2979
2017-03-22 00:38:06
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @sgrogan saw your talk about AppImage, they won't work anymore I tried last week. The AppImage is created, but when I launch it I get an error:
2017-03-22 00:38:06
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) >While initializing FreeCAD the following exception occurred: 'no codec search functions registered: can't find encoding'
2017-03-22 00:38:06
FreeCADBot2
(normandc)
2017-03-22 00:38:06
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) [full message: https://gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD?at=58d1c7e7590d72c864f1052e]
2017-03-22 03:40:02
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @sliptonic @markvandenborre regarding the difference between "step 2" and "step 3": step 2, or Part --> Create shape from Mesh, indeed attempts to create a shell from a mesh. At this point, FreeCAD does not care whether the produced shell is closed or not. A shell is a set of contiguous faces. Step 3, or Part --> convert to solid, requires a closed shell to succeed, in other words the shell must form an enclosed, "watertight" volume.
2017-03-22 03:40:02
FreeCADBot2
used is manifold.
2017-03-22 04:15:59
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @markvandenborre as for the term "Shape", it is a vague term that applies to any type of "CAD" object in FreeCAD. This does not include meshes. The hierarchy of shapes is as follows: vertex (point), edge (line), wire (set of contiguous lines), face (made from a closed wire), shell (made of contiguous faces), solid and compound which is an entity that can group any kind of shapes. There's also compsolid, but I still have a hard time un
2017-03-22 04:15:59
FreeCADBot2
compsolid is, it is barely used in FreeCAD.
2017-03-22 13:52:35
sliptonic
yorik: I'm thinking of adding another convenience function to ArchPanel: Something like flatten() which would iterate all the children and move placement.z to 0. What do you think?
2017-03-22 13:54:15
yorik
sliptonic: to arch panel themselves, or to sheets?
2017-03-22 13:54:26
sliptonic
The sheet.
2017-03-22 13:54:37
sliptonic
move the cuts.
2017-03-22 13:54:43
sliptonic
and the sheet tag
2017-03-22 13:56:09
yorik
hm indeed might be useful, because the sheet could indeed be moved anywhere
2017-03-22 13:56:17
yorik
and therefore not be with z=0 anymore
2017-03-22 13:56:27
sliptonic
Does it ever make sense for the sheet to be non-planar?
2017-03-22 13:56:41
yorik
not that i can think of, but who knows...
2017-03-22 13:56:59
yorik
maybe an additional parameter in the get* functions?
2017-03-22 13:57:03
sliptonic
It almost seems to be part of the definition of a sheet.
2017-03-22 13:57:11
yorik
yes indeed
2017-03-22 13:57:44
sliptonic
My problem is coming from that drag dialog which allows the cuts to end up all over the place.
2017-03-22 13:59:49
yorik
actually we could simply discard the placement of the sheet...
2017-03-22 14:00:17
yorik
but even so, each individual cut has a placement too
2017-03-22 14:00:29
sliptonic
I don't understand. The sheet placement is very important to me to place it on a machine.
2017-03-22 14:00:51
yorik
i think we might need like two placements
2017-03-22 14:01:08
yorik
one that is "visual", to position the sheet in your freecad model,
2017-03-22 14:01:16
yorik
other is machine-relative
2017-03-22 14:02:50
yorik
or, it is the path object built from it that should solve this...
2017-03-22 14:02:57
sliptonic
I don't see it. But I'm only thinking about sheets as cuttable targets. So the sheet placement IS the machine placement.
2017-03-22 14:03:11
yorik
okay.
2017-03-22 14:03:17
sliptonic
The relationship between sheet and cut then works perfectly except for Z.
2017-03-22 14:03:29
yorik
ok
2017-03-22 14:03:33
sliptonic
Which, IMHO, should ALWAYS be the same as the sheet.
2017-03-22 14:03:33
yorik
then, maybe,
2017-03-22 14:03:37
yorik
yes
2017-03-22 14:04:04
yorik
maybe the sheet, when gathering the wires of its child objects, should ALWAYS flatten them into its own XY plane
2017-03-22 14:04:13
yorik
that might be a good plan, no?
2017-03-22 14:04:57
sliptonic
It can't just flattend the wires it's returning. I check if the sheet is planar and if not, it acts wrong. So the sheet would need to flatten the children.
2017-03-22 14:05:27
yorik
exactly
2017-03-22 14:05:39
yorik
not flatten in the global XY plane, but in the sheet plane
2017-03-22 14:05:40
sliptonic
But doing it at that time would be fine, I think
2017-03-22 14:05:56
sliptonic
Yes, that would be fine.
2017-03-22 14:06:06
yorik
so you would always have a perfectly 2D sheet
2017-03-22 14:06:15
yorik
no matter its placement
2017-03-22 14:07:24
sliptonic
Sounds fine to me but might cause a weird effect for user. If the viewport is not aligned along Z axis, the drag will make the child appear to be in one place. When flattend to sheet plane, it'll end up in a different one.
2017-03-22 14:10:15
yorik
hm that is true.
2017-03-22 14:10:46
yorik
maybe the solution would be a bool property, Flatten = True/False
2017-03-22 14:10:56
yorik
so when editing you set it to false
2017-03-22 14:11:07
yorik
which is current behaviour
2017-03-22 14:11:15
yorik
then switch it back on after editing
2017-03-22 14:11:54
sliptonic
So flatten would happen at edit time?
2017-03-22 14:12:06
yorik
anytime
2017-03-22 14:12:12
yorik
when the property is True
2017-03-22 14:13:58
sliptonic
If I understand correctly, I think that would be fine.
2017-03-22 14:14:12
yorik
oops, i must rush out.. TTYL
2017-03-22 14:14:18
sliptonic
ok thanks
2017-03-22 14:14:20
yorik
will show you what i have in mind
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