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2017-03-17 01:38:01
FreeCADBot1
(normandc) @looooo yes, that's why we're going with netgen 5.3.1: path of least resistance... @sgrogan I still positively and passionately loathe IRC but I started making daily visits to Gitter in the evenings. (At least) three things Gitter has going is a log even if I'm not logged in, it highlights where I've been mentioned/replied to (nice) and I can see whether people are connected/active or not. Now that's a chat system that is not stuck in
2017-03-17 01:39:18
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) plus, Gitlab just bought Gitter and is open sourcing it
2017-03-17 01:47:35
FreeCADBot1
(normandc) @kkremitzki read your link last night, cool!
2017-03-17 01:53:49
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) @normandc did you see the talk earlier about "addon" vs "addons" manager? I'm curious what your thoughts are on it
2017-03-17 02:08:46
FreeCADBot1
(normandc) @kkremitzki to be honest English is not my first language... But I prefer grammatically correct terms. Not sure about Components, it's not a widely used term (not even in FreeCAD) so it may confuse new users. Add-on is term known by a lot of people and it's generic enough to encompass anything (macros, modules). I personally prefer the version with hyphen but I understand both forms (with or without) are accepted. IMO it should only r
2017-03-17 02:08:46
FreeCADBot1
outside of the FreeCAD code base, i.e. the community. You seemed to infer it could eventually be used to install modules from the FreeCAD code base?
2017-03-17 02:11:25
FreeCADBot1
(kkremitzki) I wasn't trying to give that impression, I agree that the purpose of it is making it useful for 3rd parties to extend FreeCAD functionality. The point about hyphenation is correct as well, it should really have it. My main question was about addon vs addons
2017-03-17 02:35:53
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @ianrrees not to mention that "feature" is used to designate the operations made in PartDesign workbench! It is a widely-used term in parametric CAD software.
2017-03-17 02:37:09
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I have a vague memory of "something feature feature" being a reasonable name inside TechDraw, but could've been a bad dream.
2017-03-17 02:38:07
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) grammar-wise, I'm pretty sure "add-on manager" is righter than "add-ons manager"
2017-03-17 02:38:41
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @kkremitzki another go at the Add-on / Add-ons matter: I think it should be "Add-on Manager" if that's grammatically correct, a possible alternative would be to name it "Manage Add-ons..." instead. Then using the plural form would be grammatically correct ;-)
2017-03-17 02:39:12
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @ianrrees was faster than me...
2017-03-17 02:39:14
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) perhaps this is a good topic for the UX forum
2017-03-17 02:39:18
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) We could do as Firefox does which is just have a button "Add-ons"
2017-03-17 02:39:46
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @kkremitzki that would be fine too!
2017-03-17 02:40:15
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @ianrrees +1
2017-03-17 02:41:23
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I like the "Add-ons" more than giving the thing a proper name - that way it's easier to change if someone has a better idea.
2017-03-17 02:42:14
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) ooh, or in that case it's almost reasonable for the button to say "Modules and Macros"
2017-03-17 02:42:35
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) yeah, and that's more descriptive too
2017-03-17 04:41:34
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @bblacey (or anyone else) - do you know if it's possible to get homebrew to run arbitrary ruby code from a command line? I sometimes want to see what it would return from an expression in a formula, without actually running the formula, but don't know how.
2017-03-17 04:43:45
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) @ian - I tend to use `irb` for non-hombrew-specific expressions. There is a way to drop into irb from home-brew but I think it is only if you encounter an error when using —debug - you can choose irb as one of the exception options.
2017-03-17 04:44:09
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) I have searched for that capability as well in the past and haven’t found anything so if you do, please send it my way ;)
2017-03-17 04:45:35
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) will do
2017-03-17 04:50:42
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Just learned there is a `brew irb`
2017-03-17 04:52:20
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) @ianrrees - that looks like the way to go `brew irb —examples`
2017-03-17 04:56:55
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) aha, very cool, thanks!
2017-03-17 06:35:10
Gegsite
how can I design this in freecad? http://imgur.com/a/iJv5a
2017-03-17 09:02:37
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) Gegsite, probably nurbs? WIP AFAIK.
2017-03-17 11:22:03
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) btw, if you guys want to upstream netgen patches: https://ngsolve.org/forum/ngspy-forum/6-submitting-patches
2017-03-17 11:46:13
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz you can close the bugs @deepsoic mentions in the PR613.
2017-03-17 11:47:19
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale i'm actually working on that. But the challenge is understanding which commit closes them. More specifically, I'm trying to ascertain which commit to attach to the ticket.
2017-03-17 11:49:02
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale Ideally, it would be easiest if the devs/PR-submitters used the MantisBT source-integration keywords so that it would streamline this process
2017-03-17 11:49:08
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) https://freecadweb.org/wiki/Tracker#GitHub_and_MantisBT ^
2017-03-17 11:51:00
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale which specific DeepSOIC commit closes https://freecadweb.org/tracker/view.php?id=2941 ?
2017-03-17 11:53:08
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) Is it: https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/commit/0d81472fa8ebbb20ffb42065909028091d5c8a9d
2017-03-17 11:54:05
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz I doubt I can tell that exactly, and I don't want to bisect. But give me some time ill see
2017-03-17 11:56:03
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) I mean..we can save you time by just pointing each of the tickets that are closed by this PR by notating the MantisBT ticket with a link to the PR: `p:FreeCAD:613:`
2017-03-17 11:57:12
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale can I close all 3 tickets (https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?p=165820#p165043) ?
2017-03-17 11:58:34
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) the thing is that yorik didn't merge the code from github, he closed it and applied the fixes manually. so the PR doesn't have show where the commits were added specifically.
2017-03-17 11:59:33
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) one could search the github history no problem, it's just an extra few steps.
2017-03-17 11:59:38
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) As per me, at least. But 2859 can't be verified without fixing 2964. I did that with a recent pr so if you want to verify you can use that.
2017-03-17 12:01:57
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale what commit closes 2964 ?
2017-03-17 12:10:52
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) Its written on the commit itself, PR 622. Also closes 2968.
2017-03-17 12:12:24
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) OiC, #622
2017-03-17 12:15:27
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz ^ Also, as for DeepSOIC's, https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/commit/0d81472fa8ebbb20ffb42065909028091d5c8a9d seems to be the only commit in the PR related to datum.
2017-03-17 12:15:46
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz oic?
2017-03-17 12:18:35
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) BTW, in #622 next time please use `Fixes #2964, #2968` instead of `Fix #2964 and #2968`
2017-03-17 12:19:10
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) I guess you could also use `Fix #2964, #2968`
2017-03-17 12:19:20
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) OIC = Oh I See
2017-03-17 12:19:27
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz is there a script handling things?
2017-03-17 12:19:48
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale https://freecadweb.org/wiki/Tracker#GitHub_and_MantisBT
2017-03-17 12:23:14
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) You can test #2859 using a dummy additional object, but I could not make sure it is solved even without one.
2017-03-17 12:32:23
doublehp
sketch verification is ok, merging with empty sketch is fine; merging with basic sketch (a single line) fails; how to track issue ?
2017-03-17 12:53:49
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale sorry, i'm a little confused about all the tickets and commits involved. See https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=21284&p=165850#p165850
2017-03-17 12:57:16
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz you mentioned abdullah instead of me.
2017-03-17 13:05:38
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz check reply
2017-03-17 13:08:14
doublehp
i have missing coincidences, but no invalid constraints
2017-03-17 13:12:06
doublehp
is it important to fix missing coincidences ? how to do so ?
2017-03-17 13:27:03
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) doublehp can you clearly state what you are trying to do? What do you mean by missing coincidences?
2017-03-17 13:27:18
doublehp
https://www.google.fr/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=veDLWIKZOYyEkgXusAU&gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=freecad+%22missing+coincidences%22&*
2017-03-17 13:27:42
doublehp
after check, I have a popup saying I have X missing coincidences (between 4 and 20)
2017-03-17 13:28:28
doublehp
but, when googling an error message only gives the source code itself, and nobody reports it in forums, it usually means ... I am the only guy in the world trigering that popup
2017-03-17 13:28:52
doublehp
fixing them produces redundant constraints ...
2017-03-17 13:41:11
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) doublehp, maybe ypu should post something on the help forum
2017-03-17 13:41:37
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) and then a bug on the tracker.
2017-03-17 13:42:30
doublehp
the bug is in the undo feature
2017-03-17 13:42:37
doublehp
fir now, I want to fix my sketch
2017-03-17 13:44:50
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) Sa
2017-03-17 13:44:52
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) t
2017-03-17 13:46:33
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) ^perils of touchscreen.
2017-03-17 13:47:19
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) doublehp, do you mind sharing the sketch?
2017-03-17 13:47:49
doublehp
not yet; if I go on the forum, I will have to
2017-03-17 13:49:37
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) doublehp, maybe try a simpler one yourself. There's little anyone can do without sufficient info.
2017-03-17 13:50:16
doublehp
took me 6 days to build it; 280 points, 890 constraints ... not really possible to make any simpler ...
2017-03-17 13:50:45
doublehp
seems few people go above 50 elements around here
2017-03-17 13:52:27
doublehp
I could do it in 6-7h if the software did not have so many bugs
2017-03-17 13:53:16
doublehp
when when i talk about my bugs, they all answer me "freecad not designed for such intense use"; people who meet my bugs in smaller sketches just start work over - not a big deal when you have 10 elements, it takes 3mn
2017-03-17 14:01:17
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) That is unfortunately true. I had my own share of problems once while trying r/cad challenges.
2017-03-17 14:02:35
doublehp
the bug is in the undo feature; the database parser is broken; removing elemnet htta has constraints, and undoing it does not always inserts back all consts
2017-03-17 14:04:34
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) You were the same person who I talked to a couple of days back right? 0.16 had solved the issues AFAIK.
2017-03-17 14:04:37
sliptonic
yorik: Thanks for doing the Arch stuff so fast. Have a question though
2017-03-17 14:05:33
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) Or was it 0.17?
2017-03-17 14:05:37
doublehp
AjinkyaDahale probably yes. even if I update, new version won't magically fix my file; in best case, I would need to respend hours (days) on rewriting the sketch
2017-03-17 14:06:08
doublehp
now, today, I am trying to fix my sketch; did not come to discuss about bugs
2017-03-17 14:08:07
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) doublehp, without sharing a sketch I doubt anything is possible. Hopefully you know someone around here.
2017-03-17 14:09:49
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) doublehp i am guessing a bit since i have not seen your model but, i guess you are creating one large and complex sketch... this is simply not the way parametric sketches are meant to be used
2017-03-17 14:09:56
doublehp
http://dl.free.fr/mejIleghR Global58-t01
2017-03-17 14:11:21
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) and while there are for sure bugs and limitations in FreeCAD this way of abusing the sketches is a bad practice also in other "expensive" tools
2017-03-17 14:12:08
doublehp
any one can see a "picture" on the cube, or any imageplane ? http://dl.free.fr/nv3nHUXC7 (2.5MB)
2017-03-17 14:12:13
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) sketches should be as small and simple as possible
2017-03-17 14:13:08
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but you can have a lot of them and use other tools to build a larger and more complex model out of it
2017-03-17 14:13:33
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) doublehp, please try imgur? The site is blocked in India.
2017-03-17 14:13:35
doublehp
sasobadovinac it's impossible for me to make that "base" sketch with les than 100 elements. On top of that, I will link lighter ones; but the very first one can not be simple; it implies over 50 real life measurements; and the resulting sketch is a "best compromise"
2017-03-17 14:15:34
doublehp
FreeCADBot2: dl.free.fr blocked in india ? WTF ? i am uploading FCAD files, which are ZIP; most picture hosters will just refuse those invalid "images"; any other "binary" hoster ?
2017-03-17 14:15:44
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @sasobadovinac I do think there can exist cases where large sketches are necessary.
2017-03-17 14:16:45
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) mega/mediafire/dropbox?
2017-03-17 14:16:49
doublehp
i am trying to establisha compromise between over 50 measurements; each valu affects all other ones. You don't want to see my paper drafts
2017-03-17 14:18:15
doublehp
which mega ? I don't have dropbox
2017-03-17 14:19:11
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) https://mega.nz/
2017-03-17 14:19:30
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) it was possible to use it without registration
2017-03-17 14:19:39
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) just drop the files in to the page
2017-03-17 14:19:50
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) i am not sure it this still works
2017-03-17 14:20:01
doublehp
first link: http://uplea.com/dl/A3181A2AB41523C see Global58-t01
2017-03-17 14:22:26
doublehp
http://uplea.com/dl/225782CA15AAE23 second file, 2.5M, tell me if you can see the picture
2017-03-17 14:32:00
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) I can dl only the first, and oh what monstrosity
2017-03-17 14:32:21
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) is it for architectural purposes?
2017-03-17 14:32:26
doublehp
yes
2017-03-17 14:33:20
doublehp
on the legal side, this land was about 25 parts, owned by various people; thus, the complex shape
2017-03-17 14:33:41
doublehp
simple measurements are impossible due to trees
2017-03-17 14:36:36
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) Alright, now that we have the files, what did you do from here to get the bug?
2017-03-17 14:38:30
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale sorry, what's your Forum handle ?
2017-03-17 14:38:31
doublehp
select sketch WB, menu sketch verification-validation, search missing coincidences, fix them if any, close, sketch should have a funny logo on him, double click on the sketch, try to solve redundants
2017-03-17 14:39:03
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz jnxd
2017-03-17 14:39:10
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) ahh, apologies
2017-03-17 14:53:55
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) doublehp so, the thing is if one should remove the redundant constraints or add the missing coincidences or how else to solve this so the checks would all be happy
2017-03-17 14:55:13
doublehp
adding missing coincidences introduces redundant constraints ... egg and snake issue (yes, snakes lay eggs)
2017-03-17 14:55:46
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) i don't know :) but i would remove the redundant constraints
2017-03-17 14:56:19
doublehp
do so, then, freecad will complain missing coins
2017-03-17 14:57:02
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) coincident is a type of constrain where two point that lay on top of each other are connected to each other (constrained) or not (missing coincident)
2017-03-17 14:58:54
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) and even if you add them your sketch is still not fully constrained and to solve this sketch so that it would be probbaly makes no sense
2017-03-17 15:00:51
doublehp
i don't understand who to fix
2017-03-17 15:01:03
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) i understand you would like to have this detailed measurements of the existing plan, i am just not sure if using sketcher and constraints for it makes sense
2017-03-17 15:01:49
doublehp
draft was not doing better; SweetHome is way too stupid to understand my needs; no other app could run on my desktop
2017-03-17 15:01:56
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) am am doing architectural plans for over 15 year and have done also many of such complex plans
2017-03-17 15:03:00
doublehp
and ?
2017-03-17 15:03:02
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) what we do first is basic 2d cad (eg freecad draft, autocad, librecad,...)
2017-03-17 15:04:02
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) for triangulation we do one line then two circles from each end, where the circles intersect is the third point of the measurment
2017-03-17 15:04:34
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) this same thing you are doing with constraints in the sketcher
2017-03-17 15:04:41
doublehp
i know what triangulation is; lost 3 days on it
2017-03-17 15:05:06
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) and i understand it is at first easier because constraints are sort of doing this automatically
2017-03-17 15:06:40
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but in sketcher there is a system behind it that is trying all the time to mathematically solve the full sketch and it just gets to complex with such large sketches
2017-03-17 15:07:24
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) the manual method i described before is dumb put simple for the computer to handle
2017-03-17 15:08:43
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) and even with all the detailed measurements and triangulation i have never had a plan that would full fit in the end
2017-03-17 15:09:03
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) so one always has to make some compromises
2017-03-17 15:12:02
doublehp
i have done up to 80cm compromises ... and I finally accepted it; but, I need to get FreeCAD stop complaining about missing coincidence
2017-03-17 15:12:26
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) as i said i would just ignore them
2017-03-17 15:12:56
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @sasobadovinac, I'm not really sure how the constraint handling is done, but it should boil down to a matrix inversion, which is at least simple enough even in the worst case for 30 elements or so. I had a problem even with that somehow
2017-03-17 15:13:15
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but you can ask others in the forum that are more experienced in to this type of modeling how critical they are
2017-03-17 15:14:34
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) 80 cm?
2017-03-17 15:14:49
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) or mm?
2017-03-17 15:16:32
doublehp
to get lines visually coherent, I had to introduce 80cm mistakes (the house is about 110m long); may sound less than 1%; can get critical when you wonder what the door is doing on the loo itself
2017-03-17 15:17:08
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) doublehp, if you 80 cm threshold probably means that for any 2 points more than 80 cm away from each other they will be marked as missing coincidence
2017-03-17 15:17:13
doublehp
these errors are preventing me from merging two sketches
2017-03-17 15:18:49
doublehp
not my point; i have left the default threashold, because changing it did not impact for me; I am saying: real life measurement 52.73m, value I have to input to get a triangle, and not a diamond ... 51.45
2017-03-17 15:21:40
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) well 80 cm is not something i would accept and merging this already big sketches i also doubt is the right way forward
2017-03-17 15:22:09
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but you can try :)
2017-03-17 15:32:29
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) doublehp ok so from the images i can see that for now you are mostly trying to create an geodetic survey of the area
2017-03-17 15:33:12
doublehp
sasobadovinac could you see the images in the second file ?
2017-03-17 15:33:33
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) yes
2017-03-17 15:33:47
doublehp
good for you, i can't
2017-03-17 15:33:55
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) did you take the measurements with an theodolite ?
2017-03-17 15:34:00
doublehp
what's your version ? 0.17 ?
2017-03-17 15:34:32
doublehp
funny; i have created a file that does not work on my computer, which created it, but, works for other people ... my life hates me !!!
2017-03-17 15:34:48
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) 0.17.10490
2017-03-17 15:35:17
doublehp
could it be a video driver issue ?
2017-03-17 15:35:27
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) i remember you said you were not able to install several of other cad tools, maybe there is something wrong with your computer
2017-03-17 15:35:59
doublehp
i installed FreeCAD via NIX, which usually solves most problems
2017-03-17 15:36:10
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) i just select the image in the tree and press space to show it
2017-03-17 15:36:36
doublehp
as said in the forum, I got a grey rectangle; light grey on top, darck under
2017-03-17 15:36:45
doublehp
dark
2017-03-17 15:38:26
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) what if you try different draw styles
2017-03-17 15:38:53
doublehp
i measured with a laser meter, then a stripe meter. i don't have theodolite
2017-03-17 15:39:41
doublehp
sasobadovinac it just means the bug is in the way my software visualises it, what could be X related; first time I have this, but, you said the file contains correct data
2017-03-17 15:40:09
doublehp
anyway, I don't need to insert pic in the FCAD anymore, I done adjustments an other way
2017-03-17 15:45:04
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) well, i am thinking what i would do in your place, considering an laser scan is to expensive (but i would still ask for the price)
2017-03-17 15:46:56
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) i would probably get a geodetic survey and then measure the buildings by hand, model them individually and place/position them on top of the survey
2017-03-17 15:47:53
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) there is also the photogrammetry technique
2017-03-17 15:48:32
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) where you get the point cloud from photos instead of an laser
2017-03-17 15:49:23
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but i can also produce quite good results
2017-03-17 15:51:56
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) land surveyor are using this technique but you might be able to do it yourself
2017-03-17 15:52:31
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) and freecad is able to import point clouds :)
2017-03-17 15:54:16
doublehp
so, when you do large plans like this, do you also get similar bugs ? missing constraints, or so ?
2017-03-17 15:56:36
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) for now i do only test projects in FreeCAD :\
2017-03-17 15:57:08
doublehp
oh, big projects go in an other app ?
2017-03-17 15:57:42
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but if you would do something like this in FC i would try to do it in a different way
2017-03-17 15:59:47
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) no, i am very much looking forward to make a full switch to freecad and other open tools, but for now for me this is still not the case
2017-03-17 16:01:13
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) because on the project i work on i never work alone, so i work with the tools that are common for all the team
2017-03-17 16:02:41
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but there are others like yorik :) who do use freecad on more or less all of their projects
2017-03-17 16:03:20
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @sasobadovinac anyone using freecad only for mechanical and/or fem stuff?
2017-03-17 16:03:57
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) probably more then for architectural :)
2017-03-17 16:04:35
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) here is a link to a few posts about photogrammetry if you are interested to try that https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=18587&start=10#p145653
2017-03-17 16:06:12
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBKidr0e-XA
2017-03-17 16:06:22
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lQVH3hSh0c
2017-03-17 16:07:00
doublehp
:/
2017-03-17 16:08:18
sliptonic
yorik: I'm looking over the Arch Panel convenience functions. Thanks! I'm having some trouble though. All the functions are complaining about 'parent' not being a global variable.
2017-03-17 16:08:42
yorik
sliptonic: oops, must have forgotten something...
2017-03-17 16:09:11
doublehp
sasobadovinac thanks; will look that tonight
2017-03-17 16:09:58
yorik
sliptonic: indeed... lines 745 and 746 in ArchPanel.py must be removed.
2017-03-17 16:10:10
yorik
committing that now
2017-03-17 16:10:56
sliptonic
Awesome. Thanks
2017-03-17 16:11:31
doublehp
last video: amazing !!!
2017-03-17 16:12:14
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) it is made with a normal camera
2017-03-17 16:12:37
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) ok, a good camera and a drone :)
2017-03-17 16:13:01
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) yorik, how would you do what doublehp is trying to do
2017-03-17 16:13:13
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) It'd be interesting to see if you could use photogrammetry + FreeCAD to do cut & fill operations
2017-03-17 16:13:22
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) would yo go with such sketches?
2017-03-17 16:13:36
doublehp
sasobadovinac the gopro method would work for sure !!!
2017-03-17 16:14:38
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) @kkremitzki microelly2 already did quite some research around this and has plans to do more
2017-03-17 16:20:11
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) It's hard to not get too excited about FreeCAD's potential for open source engineering sometimes
2017-03-17 16:21:27
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) yes :)
2017-03-17 16:22:48
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) impossible I'd say
2017-03-17 18:13:58
doublehp
thank you everybody, bye
2017-03-17 18:38:54
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz renamed the commits
2017-03-17 18:39:32
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) what next?
2017-03-17 18:40:44
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) wait till they get committed and see what happens in mantis :)
2017-03-17 18:40:49
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale ^
2017-03-17 18:56:26
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) oh yeah.. i forgot to mention... if you want to add a commit without triggering travisci you can add` [skip ci]` or `[ci skip]`to a commit message
2017-03-17 19:09:43
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz can we put this in the commit message also, or should it be in the commit title only?
2017-03-17 19:09:57
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) or whatever it is called
2017-03-17 19:10:02
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) not the PR titile
2017-03-17 19:10:15
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) but anywhere in the git commit message
2017-03-17 19:10:42
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) the commit title, not the PR title.
2017-03-17 19:11:12
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) yea.. i think there is no difference between the git commit title and the git commit message
2017-03-17 19:11:28
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) git-cola calls it summary and extended description
2017-03-17 19:11:52
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) honestly i wish the MantisBT folks wrote better documentation... this process of elimination is well.. not ideal
2017-03-17 19:12:03
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) i gtg. cheers!
2017-03-17 19:12:57
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) You're being a wonderful triager despite this
2017-03-17 19:13:01
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) (y)
2017-03-17 19:22:01
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) the commit "message" (a proper git term) includes the commit summary/title (I think based on convention) which is the first line of the message. The summary should be short and concise otherwise the history gets hard to use.
2017-03-17 19:24:36
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) https://chris.beams.io/posts/git-commit/
2017-03-17 19:25:08
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) There are even git commit message linters available
2017-03-17 19:26:05
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) we might benefit from a linter especially if we have specific keywords we're using to trigger mantis
2017-03-17 19:27:49
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) The only thing I think really needs linting is super-long commit titles that should've been separated into a title/summary
2017-03-17 19:27:58
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Like https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/pull/564/commits/506c58cf49ac8c096f9106c0b486cd6b3ccadc46
2017-03-17 19:28:22
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) ^ really shouldve been something like "Improve Doxygen under Windows"
2017-03-17 19:28:39
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Just to pick the first example I could find
2017-03-17 19:29:23
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Even then I am not sure the benefit of getting something like that set up is worth it (I don't think it is)
2017-03-17 19:31:05
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I agree - this is one of the benefits of having only a few gatekeepers for a project
2017-03-17 19:31:33
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) very easy for a human to pick up on bad uses of a tool
2017-03-17 19:33:04
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Precisely--hold off worrying about it until Yorik or Werner comes to the forums and says something like "Damn, there's a lot of 200+ char commit titles and I just wish there was some way of automatically rejecting them"
2017-03-17 19:34:22
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Yeah, I agree, we should totally ask talented people to spend their time doing what computers can easily do ;) (pun)
2017-03-17 19:34:30
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) One thing I was thinking about too w.r.t. the MantisBT/Git integration too is that automatically closing a bug from a commit is not as useful as it might seem at first b/c there's only your testing to verify it resolves the issue
2017-03-17 19:34:50
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) well, I think it's good for the peons to nudge each other in the right direction so Yorik and Werner don't have to think about menial stuff
2017-03-17 19:34:54
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) @kkremitzki - the close doesn’t happen until the PR is merged, correct?
2017-03-17 19:35:12
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Right
2017-03-17 19:35:35
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) but even then, depending on the type of bug, it may require something further to happen (like, say, the daily Ubuntu PPA build to pick up the changes)
2017-03-17 19:35:39
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) So, that means that it passes Werner’s testing too. Beit manual inspection or actual testing that he does.
2017-03-17 19:36:08
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) lol, that's not really what I meant @bblacey - just that a script that checks line length is easy, but a tool that says "this is a good summary" is practically impossible. The human gives you the second without much effort.
2017-03-17 19:36:10
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Right, and that's pretty good as well, but still not always enough like in my example above
2017-03-17 19:36:38
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) I see two options, either re-open it if it fails in the daily PPA or change the Mantis workflow to support a ‘promotion’ style validation workflow.
2017-03-17 19:39:50
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Ah yeah, the 2nd option is probably the better one
2017-03-17 19:40:31
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) The MantisBT workflow is kinda meh, for example the differentiation between resolved and closed doesn't seem too useful here
2017-03-17 19:46:19
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @bblacey - funny story: I was working on 2906 last night and ended up right back at that memory leak we were discussing the other day
2017-03-17 19:47:22
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Wow! Static analysis works ;)
2017-03-17 19:49:57
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Haven’t had a lot of time lately, but have been looking at the Qt5 seg fault. Seems it is crashing in the OpenGL driver. From what I have read, it looks to be a ‘state’ issue where we try to render vertexes that are invalid…
2017-03-17 19:51:33
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I think Werner fixed the docking/undocking one - is that the segfault you're referring to?
2017-03-17 19:51:35
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Perhaps an invalid context or stale model. Something static analysis doesn’t seem to help with ;)
2017-03-17 19:51:43
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) right, well if it was easy...
2017-03-17 19:53:01
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Yes, that is the one - I didn’t see that fix come through… Last I looked, it seemed we were trying to render the model for the undocked view but the app though the current view was the Start Page… That will be great if he nailed it!
2017-03-17 19:54:33
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Hmmm, I don’t see where he fixed the dock/undock...
2017-03-17 19:56:28
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I think he tends to work on a local repo, so it's probably just not shared. Post is https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=20105&start=40#p165360
2017-03-17 19:57:53
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Well, sometime when you have a chance and are running Werner’s branch, try opening a model and then type ‘V U
2017-03-17 19:58:47
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Hoping to have some time this weekend to look into it a bit further.
2017-03-17 20:14:20
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) @ianrrees - will the bundler changes you are working on also fix #2906?
2017-03-17 20:14:59
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I think they'll fix the dyld-related part of it
2017-03-17 20:15:10
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) cool
2017-03-17 20:15:21
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) well, I should say that a fix can probably be incorporated
2017-03-17 20:15:55
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Do you think this will fix the broader “import FreeCAD” not working on macOS?
2017-03-17 20:16:04
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) just about to submit a PR for the change to FreeCAD to get the right module path in that scenario,
2017-03-17 20:19:50
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) so, yes, I think it will make it possible to "import FreeCAD", but my understanding is that this will only work if the external Python is essentially the same as the one FreeCAD is compiled against
2017-03-17 20:22:56
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Well, we could instruct macOS users to use the python interpreter that is contained within the macOS app bundle...
2017-03-17 20:23:16
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) I don’t know what the means for other site-packages that they want/need though.
2017-03-17 20:23:27
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) yeah, I think that's the real issue
2017-03-17 20:23:49
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) the only use case I can think of for this, is when someone doesn't want to build FreeCAD, but does want to use it with a Python package that we don't bundle
2017-03-17 20:24:56
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) `/path/to/freecad/python -m pip install` ?
2017-03-17 20:25:30
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) if that works, then it might be a good thing to recommend
2017-03-17 20:26:07
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) we could also integrate it in with the "Modules and Macros" manager thing
2017-03-17 20:26:36
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Ah, that'd be a nice idea
2017-03-17 20:27:01
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) By how much do we increase the app size by bundling python ?
2017-03-17 20:27:52
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I don't think we really have a choice, so haven't looked in to the amount
2017-03-17 20:32:52
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) just based on the size of lib/Python2.7 in a recent CI bundle ~150MB installed (so ~60MB download size)
2017-03-17 20:34:15
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) That is less than I was afraid of
2017-03-17 20:36:00
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) still, if we don't bundle Python then we need to make assumptions about the Python on the end user's system
2017-03-17 20:36:16
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) at the very least, that would mean different application bundles for each version of MacOS
2017-03-17 21:21:57
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) > `/path/to/freecad/python -m pip install` ?
2017-03-17 21:22:08
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) http://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?t=16851
2017-03-17 21:22:17
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) This works on Win
2017-03-17 21:28:47
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) Could still be problems if the package has compiled extensions that are incompatible with the compiler used for FreeCAD
2017-03-17 21:37:22
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @sgrogan - doesn't pip account for that scenario?
2017-03-17 21:38:03
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) On windows no. The official python2.7 packages are built with
2017-03-17 21:41:44
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) Hmm, that's a pain. I noticed that the Python C API has a method ( Py_GetCompiler() ) to get the C compiler used to build the interpreter, and assumed that was so that eg pip could get the appropriate compiled libraries.
2017-03-17 21:49:02
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) I thinks it used so that if the user has a compiler installed it can be used to build the extension. I haven't figured out how to do this. Most windows users don't have the compiler installed anyway. The true solution on Windows is port FreeCAD to Python3.5 > Build a VC14 libpack > build FreeCAD with VC14. Then FreeCAD is aligned with the whole Python universe. Even 3rd party modules like SciPy x64 are then accessible;)
2017-03-17 21:58:54
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) On Linux though I think most users would rather use there package manager, unless pip would be transparent to them. They use native Python.
2017-03-17 22:15:44
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @kkremitzki - another wiki thought: might be nice to have a link in the search page to only search in a particular language
2017-03-17 22:17:22
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @ianrrees :+1: many times i'm wading through search pages skipping over many search results because they are all translations of the same page
2017-03-17 22:17:37
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) @ianrrees have you seen this https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=21128#p163727
2017-03-17 22:20:28
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @sgrogan - I skimmed over a little bit of that thread a few days ago, but haven't really digested it.
2017-03-17 22:28:21
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @sgrogan - FreeCADCmd is built on Windows too isn't it? There seems to be almost 0 mention of it in the wiki
2017-03-17 22:33:42
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) Yes, not many Windows users know how to get to a command prompt/powershell let alone work from there. Only the old farts like me that started with DOS. I hadn't used it for years until I got involved with FreeCAD. Now I use a .bat file to run a couple versions of a PowerShell script.
2017-03-17 22:36:57
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) @sasobadovinac uses this to run the unit tests on AppVeyor https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/blob/master/appveyor.yml
2017-03-17 22:37:49
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) OK, I just wanted to make sure it's safe to say that it is bundled with FreeCAD without saying "on some platforms..."
2017-03-17 22:38:48
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @sgrogan how does one trigger unit tests on windows ?
2017-03-17 22:41:17
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) From the Gui from the TestFramework WB. From the command line like in my previous link with a command line switch.
2017-03-17 22:43:12
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) good news... we made it to the top requested feature on crowdin :clap: They will be rolling out a new feature to hopefully make it easier to understand the context of translations sometime very soon.
2017-03-17 22:43:27
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) https://crowdin.uservoice.com/forums/31787-collaborative-translation-tool
2017-03-17 22:44:07
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) Congrats @luzpaz ! I know you've pushed hard for this.
2017-03-17 22:44:45
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) thanks @sgrogan and thanks to all who participated
2017-03-17 22:45:27
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) next objective: https://crowdin.uservoice.com/forums/31787-collaborative-translation-tool/suggestions/18018700-context-of-translation-string-could-link-directly :P
2017-03-17 22:51:47
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) `lupdate -locations {absolute|relative}` is being run as `relative`not `absolute`. I think this may become a problem if we want to track translation contexts on crowdin. I may be wrong.
2017-03-17 22:57:18
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) @ianrrees definitely, lots of wiki improvements to be made (including one I think you mentioned involving redirecting to where you left off after logging in)... I'm having some issues with my staging environment freecad.io right now though, just timing out for some reason I'm not sure why
2017-03-17 22:57:54
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) I noticed the LibreOffice wiki has exactly that feature implemented, it presents a page with a "You have logged in, here's a link to the page you were on"
2017-03-17 23:02:25
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) cool, no pressure from my end
2017-03-17 23:04:18
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Another thing I want is a "this page was last updated on" clearly visible
2017-03-17 23:14:14
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) @kkremitzki whats your plan for the Addon manager?
2017-03-17 23:28:43
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Well first up is sort of a refactor from a 500+ line python file into a proper Python module.. basically carving out the "back end" functions, once that is good and stable I can move on to appearance
2017-03-17 23:52:35
FreeCADBot2
(looooo) Reading all the posts about freecad difficulties with different platforms makes me wonder why nobody else is using conda. Conda has a consistent api for all 3 platforms. It. uses enviroments by default, wich gives us the oppertunity to be quite independent from system versions. It allows to create enviroment snapshots which is useful, and let people recreate previous versions... Oce also activly creates conda packages. So why not freec
2017-03-18 01:07:21
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @looooo - in the Mac case at least, Homebrew is really not that much trouble (as far as these things go). They are actually working on a Linux version of it, so perhaps Homebrew is worth considering for a standardisation effort ;)
2017-03-18 01:10:35
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) The other platform specific stuff I've been doing recently (Qt5, or the external Python importing) relates back to the underlying OS so I'm not sure Conda would help much. Perhaps it would be useful for the Mac app bundling?
2017-03-18 07:45:50
FreeCADBot2
(looooo) It would be possebly to use conda with appimage/mac app, but I don't see a reason for this, as the sepperation of libraries is done by the use of enviroments.
2017-03-18 08:04:46
toner
Hi everyone :)
2017-03-18 15:02:22
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Fun fact: the uncompressed FreeCAD wiki database backup is 2.3 GB
2017-03-18 15:04:32
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) I finally got the https://freecad.io staging environment up again and I'm working on upgrading the wiki from 1.26->1.28
2017-03-18 17:55:15
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz how can I pick up issue tickets?
2017-03-18 19:30:21
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @AjinkyaDahale - are you wanting to start work on a ticket in the issue tracker?
2017-03-18 19:52:43
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @ianrrees yes. I'm trying to resolve #2682
2017-03-18 19:53:02
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) cool, do you have an account on the tracker?
2017-03-18 19:53:52
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) yes. @kkremitzki upgraded my account already. I'm jnxd there and on the forums
2017-03-18 19:54:39
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) ahh, I see, looks like you've got it figured out already
2017-03-18 19:55:19
FreeCADBot2
(looooo) @sgrogan have you ever build coin on win? pivy explains about a missing environment variable.
2017-03-18 19:57:40
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) I have been working on freecad seriously since about december. Can't really say I've got it well enough yet though.
2017-03-18 20:06:54
rweait
Newbie. Trying to pocket on the bottom of a body. Sketch seems normal when I attach it to bottom face. I select pocket and the sketch moves, (placement angle 0degrees is changed to angle 180degrees) and the pocket is placed in an unexpected location. I see this in freecad-daily, and in an older 0.15. Is this a known newbie error?
2017-03-18 20:10:36
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @looooo - in PR 624, I used PyString for a file path, and was going to add conditional Python 3 C API. Are we treating file paths as Python3 strings or bytearrays?
2017-03-18 20:13:47
rweait
:q
2017-03-18 20:15:02
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) Hi rweait, I'm not familiar with that problem (which doesn't mean much) - just tried to reproduce it and couldn't
2017-03-18 20:15:52
rweait
Thanks ianrrees.
2017-03-18 20:16:17
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) that sounds like the kind of thing that might vary with OCC version though - I'm using OCC 7.1 (on OSX, latest git)
2017-03-18 20:25:14
FreeCADBot2
(looooo) @ianrres PyString_AsString and PyString_Check are not available in python3. Normally we do a precompiler check (#PY_MAJOR_VERSION...) and use Py_Unicode_Check and PyUnicode_AsString for python3.
2017-03-18 20:27:43
FreeCADBot2
(looooo) I don't know if there is a rule what to use for file-paths.
2017-03-18 20:29:12
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) ok, I just checked that Python3 does use str for the object I'm dealing with, so I guess the unicode C API is the one to use
2017-03-18 20:29:54
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) will do some testing and try to be reasonably sure it will work, but I'm not setup for building the Python3 branch at the moment.
2017-03-18 20:33:56
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @kkremitzki any idea what the duration is for mantisbt to sync with github ?
2017-03-18 20:36:05
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) Looks like mantis changesets https://freecadweb.org/tracker/plugin.php?page=Source/list&id=2 is 14 commits behind github
2017-03-18 21:11:31
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) I'm not sure with what frequency the syncs happen
2017-03-18 21:12:50
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) perhaps every hour? (it hasn't happened yet)
2017-03-18 21:13:16
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) we'll see
2017-03-18 22:23:06
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @looooo - in testing that change, I found that there's a bug if the FreeCAD path has unicode characters (ie FreeCAD.app is in a directory called uñîcøde): "While initializing FreeCAD the following exception occurred: ''ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u0303' in position 23: ordinal not in range(128)'...". Might be worth testing this in the Python 3 branch because it'll be easier to encounter there.
2017-03-18 22:44:48
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Whoop https://freecad.io/wiki/Main_Page got it
2017-03-18 22:47:45
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) that's 2 out of 3 down with only the forums left
2017-03-18 22:52:25
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) nice work!
2017-03-18 23:20:05
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) So what do you guys think about creating/using a [PR template](https://help.github.com/articles/creating-a-pull-request-template-for-your-repository/) for FreeCAD? I think it would be good to include a short checklist including the suggestion to use “Fixes <mantisBT #>” to automatically close the associated issue. We could even include things like `[] branch has been rebased on master`, `[] well-written git commit message -
2017-03-18 23:20:05
FreeCADBot2
https://chris.beams.io/posts/git-commit/`, etc. I’de be happy to gin one up for feedback/elaboration if others think it is a good idea.
2017-03-18 23:21:09
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) sounds reasonable to me
2017-03-18 23:32:19
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) How about something like this?
2017-03-18 23:32:19
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) ```
2017-03-18 23:32:19
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Fixes #
2017-03-18 23:32:19
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) [full message: https://gitter.im/FreeCAD/FreeCAD?at=58cdc3ff6701410e58515904]
2017-03-18 23:49:30
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Here is something to throw stones at - https://github.com/bblacey/FreeCAD-MacOS-CI/blob/bd33d75cfdc52ce18915bebedb13dee11ed36280/.github/PULL_REQUEST_TEMPLATE.md
2017-03-19 00:01:37
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) To me, the 4th item implies that there should be a tracker item for every PR. I think it would be good if it were something like "For any relevant MantisBT issues, commit message includes 'fixes #' where # is the issue number"
2017-03-19 00:10:08
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) Perhaps qualify with something like “when appropriate” or “if one exists”?
2017-03-19 00:14:58
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) wiki CSS experiment: small caps and left-align for table of contents: https://freecad.io/wiki/Manual:Introduction
2017-03-19 00:15:36
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @bblacey sure, sounds good. I'm just trying to avoid getting in to a thought process that leads to "every PR should have a ticket in the tracker".
2017-03-19 00:16:50
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @kkremitzki - I think regular capitalisation looks better
2017-03-19 00:19:04
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) For the 4th item, how about "Commit message includes `Fixes #123,...` for relevant MantisBT issue(s)"
2017-03-19 00:19:14
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) I believe it has to be in the format Fixes #123, not Fixes 123
2017-03-19 00:20:34
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) @ianrrees I just updated it to regular caps, left align, what do you think?
2017-03-19 00:21:14
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) I'd like to get a little list indentation too to differentiate
2017-03-19 00:22:05
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) ahh, think that's a bit better than the current wiki, but by "regular capitalisation" I should've said "Title Case"
2017-03-19 00:23:09
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) What about now?
2017-03-19 00:23:54
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) awesome!
2017-03-19 01:30:34
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) @kkremitzki - thanks. Fixed. https://github.com/bblacey/FreeCAD-MacOS-CI/blob/270eb5c302ff7cdc50bd9c917cd24cd44f6cb07f/.github/PULL_REQUEST_TEMPLATE.md
2017-03-19 01:37:53
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Looks good. Informative and concise.
2017-03-19 03:50:48
Rev22
I'm trying to scale + rotate + translate a path imported from SVG to make it fit my 3d model, a single tool for this would be nice :)
2017-03-19 04:39:55
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @bblacey - what do you think about encouraging wiki updates in your checklist, for PRs that change/add features?
2017-03-19 04:40:59
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I guess it's not something that deserves a checkbox exactly, since the wiki shouldn't be changed until after the PR is merged.
2017-03-19 04:52:02
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Feedback requested: inline history in MantisBT. example: https://freecad.io/tracker/view.php?id=2741
2017-03-19 05:07:52
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) hmm, interesting
2017-03-19 05:08:47
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) first thought is that it's a bit busy, but on the other hand maybe that will help cut down some of the chatter (by making it a little more explicit that changing status or whatever will result in logs/emails/etc)
2017-03-19 05:10:04
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) JIRA's default behaviour IIRC is to show a "Comments" tab that behaves like our current Mantis install, but there's also an "All" that behaves like this one, and a few others I can't remember.
2017-03-19 06:48:15
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) @ianrrees - something like “- [ ] updated documentation, e.g. wiki”?
2017-03-19 06:50:28
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) @kkremitzki - looks good. You have done a great job moving the infrastructure along lately - really nice to see the Mantis upgrade, https, Mantis integration with GitHub, wiki upgrades/updates, etc. I know I am leaving a lot out like the behind-the-scenes modernization/virtualization to make it all possible but that is probaby behind my appreciation for you efforts ;)
2017-03-19 06:56:50
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @bblacey - something like that, but I guess we don't want people to update the wiki before their PR is merged. I'm having a hard time thinking of better wording. "Considered updates to the wiki for added or changed features"?
2017-03-19 06:59:55
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) We could add a final sentence (i.e. not a check-list item) “And please remember to update the Wiki with the features added or changed ince this PR once it is merged” ???
2017-03-19 07:01:14
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) Sure, that works. Sorry for the nonspecific suggestion :)
2017-03-19 07:01:26
FreeCADBot2
(bblacey) This maybe a good thing to consider if we tailor the Mantis work-flow. If an issue requires wiki changes, it can’t be closed until the wiki is updated. I know we are talking about PRs right now but eventually...
2017-03-19 07:02:17
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) Yeah, it's a tricky one though. At least for me, too much structure begins to feel like work.
2017-03-19 10:34:33
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) How does everyone feel about setting up https://chromium.googlesource.com/breakpad/breakpad/ or something similar
2017-03-19 10:34:47
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) Maybe after 0.17 release...
2017-03-19 10:34:54
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) ?
2017-03-19 10:37:20
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) Here is a bit of info how LibreOffice is using it https://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2017-02-01-under-the-hood-5-3.html
2017-03-19 11:51:57
markvandenborre
hi! I would like to design a laser cut case for a pcb
2017-03-19 11:53:59
markvandenborre
in layers of 3mm birch plywood held together by nuts and bolts
2017-03-19 11:54:20
markvandenborre
I've done something like it using openscad in the past
2017-03-19 11:54:30
markvandenborre
but I would like to use freecad this time
2017-03-19 11:55:30
markvandenborre
any idea on what workbench I would best use for this?
2017-03-19 11:55:35
markvandenborre
part design I guess?
2017-03-19 12:07:38
FreeCADBot2
(looooo) @ianrrees : the problem with unicode directories does not occur with python3. As the 0.16 version also has this problem I don't think it is related to the changes I have made to the FreeCADInit.py...
2017-03-19 12:11:51
trygvis
markvandenborre: if you just want a simple case I'd look at makercase.com
2017-03-19 12:12:26
trygvis
that is the quickest way to get your box, but if you really want to get into freecad I have a plugin that create similar objects in freecad
2017-03-19 12:12:34
trygvis
https://trygvis.io/git/2016/05/freecad-boxer.git/
2017-03-19 12:17:36
markvandenborre
trygvis: thank you for your hints
2017-03-19 12:17:45
markvandenborre
it's not a box style case I'm looking to build
2017-03-19 12:17:54
markvandenborre
more a kind of sliced layers case
2017-03-19 12:18:07
markvandenborre
layers of 3mm ply on top of eachother
2017-03-19 12:18:15
markvandenborre
with a curvy outside shape
2017-03-19 12:18:37
markvandenborre
thank you for your hint about the case building plugin though
2017-03-19 12:18:55
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) mark, check arch panel... look in the forum for yoriks post about it
2017-03-19 12:19:10
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) it just got direct support in the path WB
2017-03-19 12:20:06
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) i am not sure if it best way for you, but it is probaly something to check
2017-03-19 12:21:56
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) is it what you want something like in this topic https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14038&start=30 ?
2017-03-19 12:25:13
markvandenborre
sasobadovinac: yes, that last post is exactly the kind of thing I need
2017-03-19 12:25:35
markvandenborre
I guess the history of that post will tell me exactly how this was built
2017-03-19 12:25:46
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) that workflow was a bit more manual
2017-03-19 12:26:05
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) FreeCAD developemnt is fast
2017-03-19 12:26:22
markvandenborre
you mean there are more recent developments that make things much easier?
2017-03-19 12:26:23
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) here is a topic on yorik's panel https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19245&p=149539
2017-03-19 12:27:00
markvandenborre
or at least, recent development yields the possibility of doing it in a more automated way...
2017-03-19 12:27:22
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) just few days ago this was upgraded even further where the panes are directly supported in FC path WB (for cnc)
2017-03-19 12:28:22
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) but you will have to research a bit more about it yourself or maybe yorik or sliptonic can help you further
2017-03-19 12:28:54
markvandenborre
ah, that would be nice indeed
2017-03-19 12:29:12
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) it is probably best if you start a forum topic
2017-03-19 12:29:35
markvandenborre
I guess I should first start (re)learning some basics about freecad
2017-03-19 12:30:28
markvandenborre
I was the avid supporter of this work, having yorik fly to FOSDEM some time ago, but I'm a very very humble kind of user
2017-03-19 12:31:27
markvandenborre
sasobadovinac: thank you for your hints
2017-03-19 12:31:35
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) there is always something new to learn with FC :)
2017-03-19 12:57:05
markvandenborre
how do I use my Lenovo laptop trackpad with scrolling sensitivity and three "mouse buttons" and a "nipple"
2017-03-19 12:57:21
markvandenborre
to rotate the view of my object?
2017-03-19 13:05:51
markvandenborre
never mind, found a way to do that
2017-03-19 14:01:41
doublehp
when I arch-draw-walls on this, i don't see them; when i calidate sketch i have one missing coincidence: http://dl.free.fr/bNYG41aEN (4KB)
2017-03-19 14:04:26
doublehp
*Validate sketch
2017-03-19 14:05:08
doublehp
and whgen i fix the missing coin, I get redundant; in either case, FreeCAD complains ...
2017-03-19 14:12:38
doublehp
after restarting app, i see walls on some lines, but not all
2017-03-19 15:46:45
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) @sasobadovinac that breakpad stuff would be very interesting to set up, I bet for every 10 FreeCAD crashes that occur "in the wild" probably less than 1 actually gets reported
2017-03-19 15:49:47
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) There is a lot of great inspiration for running a FOSS project that can be taken from the LibreOffice people, although of course they have WAY, way more resources and people
2017-03-19 16:14:11
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) @kkremitzki I have opened a forum topic about it so it can be better reviewed and discussed https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=21421
2017-03-19 16:27:14
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @looooo - sorry, didn't mean to imply your changes broke it. Was more thinking that Python 3 is more likely to generate unicode strings, and so perhaps make that issue more likely. Is the plan to switch everything to Python 3 soonish, or are we planning on offering Python 2 and 3 versions for some time (basically, is it worth fixing that issue)?
2017-03-19 16:36:36
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @doublehp your sketch is too "busy". It contains too many elements for Arch Wall. You need to create two separate sketches: one for the lower 4-sided closed profile with three lines inside it, and one for the rest. Then you can create two Arch Walls.
2017-03-19 16:38:43
doublehp
have been reading your line 4 times, i don't understand the middle part: "one for the lower 4-sided closed profile with three lines inside it"
2017-03-19 16:40:45
doublehp
I don't understand if 4-sided closed profile is to be used for one building (each line being an outside wall), or for each wall (thus, each line from my sketch which designates one wall, will become 4 lines to precisely describe the said wall)
2017-03-19 16:45:45
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @doublehp please start with @normandc so I get a notification someone replied to me. IMO chats suck for appropriate FreeCAD help, the forum is so much more suited to that. Check this file : https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8EXnjMkh8zVaXRSU0l3ZmZQN00/view?usp=sharing
2017-03-19 16:46:43
doublehp
i rarely forget quoting ; I use IRC client; posted that matter on the forum in the mean time
2017-03-19 16:47:39
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @doublehp yet you did it again. <rolling eyes>
2017-03-19 16:48:23
doublehp
it was not a line that really needed your attention; i will quote when I have worked on your file
2017-03-19 16:52:16
doublehp
normandc now I understand what you meant by "3 lines inside"; so, what is the max number of elements per sketch to get walls ? if you say I should not exceed, let say, 8 lines per sketch, does it mean I will have to split my final project (300 elements) into 40 sub sketches ?
2017-03-19 16:54:05
doublehp
@normandc i could reproduce your method, and got good result.
2017-03-19 16:55:50
doublehp
but I can NOT split my real project into 40 sub sketches, because, elements are inter-dependant; putting them in seperate sketches will prevent me from establishing constraints, unless there is a way to create constraints between sketches (don't think so)
2017-03-19 17:00:25
doublehp
@normandc i have a sketch with 4 lines, and it draws only 3 walls
2017-03-19 17:06:51
doublehp
@normandc one sketch with 4 lines, when I do Arch-Walls, I got only 3 walls. https://drive.google.com/a/demaine.info/file/d/0B21isvLhQPTyVFpqVF96c2l4RTA/view?usp=sharing
2017-03-19 17:10:32
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) @ianrrees you can perhaps help as I am lost on the new part designs tuff
2017-03-19 17:10:43
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=21424
2017-03-19 17:11:34
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) How does the FreeCAD tree should look like with a STEP file assembly
2017-03-19 17:11:57
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) I am trying to define the mapping between STEP object and new PartDesign/Body structure and got to nowhere up to now
2017-03-19 17:15:10
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) My understanding (and this might be completely wrong) is that Part objects are meant to be sort of "super containers" that can hold anything, and Body objects are meant to contain only geometry that's made in Part Design.
2017-03-19 17:15:42
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) It is my understanding too.
2017-03-19 17:16:00
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) but it looks like that I can't move a Part Object into another Part Object
2017-03-19 17:16:01
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) so I would guess that the STEP nodes would be Part objects
2017-03-19 17:16:11
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) roughly currently STEP nodes are Part Objects
2017-03-19 17:16:25
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) and I got a flat tree even by trying to push them into the root node
2017-03-19 17:16:55
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) and when I am doing it through the UI, I have a crazy amount of reference plane which doesn't move into the root node Part
2017-03-19 17:17:35
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) I am still drawing STEP leaf node using Part::Feature (old style)
2017-03-19 17:17:43
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) and allocate them into new PartDesign
2017-03-19 17:17:51
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) which works great
2017-03-19 17:18:37
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) yeah, I think there's something broken about the tree view with regards to the reference planes
2017-03-19 17:18:51
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) but it is super hard to represent the tree, or there is something I totally missed
2017-03-19 17:18:57
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) (remember I am at C++ levele)
2017-03-19 17:20:28
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) don't know - I've only written that mesh exporter thing for the new Part Design, which doesn't have to create anything new in the document tree
2017-03-19 17:20:44
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) lucky you are ;)
2017-03-19 17:20:54
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) lol
2017-03-19 17:21:33
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) I'm sure ickby or deepsoic will be able to get it sorted for you
2017-03-19 17:22:09
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) quite sure too. will see if they answer on the forum, this is just frustrating to me, as I do have some time to progress ;), (end of sunday in EUrope)
2017-03-19 17:38:41
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @vejmarie - if you've got some time, it might be worth testing PR 617 with MacPorts
2017-03-19 17:40:58
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) hi
2017-03-19 17:41:50
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) what is it with freecad (either 0.16 or 0.17) that when I try to loft two simple circles (sketches) I always get an open shape, instead of a closed one? On the tutorials available on the net it seem I would get a closed shape.
2017-03-19 17:44:27
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1489945570.png
2017-03-19 17:44:48
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) (of course I set the "closed shape" option)
2017-03-19 17:45:18
FreeCADBot2
(looooo) @ianrrees i think there is no time plan for python3. And I don't think we can move straight ahead to python3 once the master is py3 compatible. But as unicode names for module directories were never working , I would simple wait for python3...
2017-03-19 17:53:44
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I am trying to be an educator for FreeCAD, but oftentimes I stumble upon a weird behaviour like that in FreeCAD that is simply a showstopper. How can one not perform a simple closed loft between two of the most basic shapes - two circles? It even negates previous tutorials. It is very difficult to explain that to my students, this should not happen, unfortunately the most egregious thing about FreeCAD is that it seems to make an active
2017-03-19 17:53:45
FreeCADBot2
'not work'. What is so complex about two circles in a loft that prevents it from closing the shape as intended?
2017-03-19 17:54:13
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) am I to blame, for not knowing what it is supposed to do instead?
2017-03-19 17:54:23
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) how can people know the 'correct way' then?
2017-03-19 17:59:27
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @Patola - that's a bug, very likely in OCC, it works fine on my system (MacOS, latest git source, OCC 7.1).
2017-03-19 18:00:17
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) hmmm! i have to recompile if I want a different version of OCC, right? I am using Ubuntu 16.04 with freecad and freecad-daily repositories
2017-03-19 18:00:27
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) sorry it's frustrating, but it's really not a trivial thing to model solid geometry in general
2017-03-19 18:01:14
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I understand that but people need to create stuff, and as a teacher, I want to teach them how to work around this stuff whenever it happens
2017-03-19 18:01:55
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) @vejmarie has made a snap of freecad 0.17
2017-03-19 18:01:59
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) let me check with that one
2017-03-19 18:02:40
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) @Patola the snap is unfortunatly very old
2017-03-19 18:02:49
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) I need to update him, but my todo list is so looong :(
2017-03-19 18:03:08
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) that I didn't gave it a try. I am waiting for kurt to finish the setup of our new build servers
2017-03-19 18:03:43
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) well, anyway, that's what I have to test right now
2017-03-19 18:08:48
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola @ianrrees it's not a bug, it's a misunderstanding of the Loft options. It's not "close shape" you should check, it's "make solid". Close shape will attempt to create a loop between the existing profiles to form sort of a "donut".
2017-03-19 18:09:56
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) @normandc I tried that, of course. I tfreecad 0.17 vejmarie - This is the first beta for freecad 0.17 supporting OCCT 7 / Netgen and new Smesh version
2017-03-19 18:09:56
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) red every combination of closed, solid and ruled surface, 8 total (2³)
2017-03-19 18:10:00
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) oooops
2017-03-19 18:10:07
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola freecad-daily is already 0.17 built mostly daily, and for the past two weeks it is based on the latest OCCT 7.1.0
2017-03-19 18:10:31
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) @normandc yes, I have tried using it
2017-03-19 18:10:44
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) and now I even tried with vejmarie's snap file, same thing
2017-03-19 18:10:56
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1489947052.png
2017-03-19 18:11:06
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @vejmarie's snap package is so old it should have been deleted. This is not helping the FreeCAD project to provide such an old build in the Ubuntu snap repositories.
2017-03-19 18:11:18
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) ahh, I didn't read Patola's description well enough - what works on my system is to make two circles and tick the "create solid" only
2017-03-19 18:11:49
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) It might be worth trying turning both circles in to faces before the loft
2017-03-19 18:12:56
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) how can I do that? the circles are sketches, not drafts. If I upgrade sketches they will also turn to faces?
2017-03-19 18:13:31
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola no problem here, are you really checking the "make solid" option? Otherwise would you please share your FreeCAD document.
2017-03-19 18:13:53
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) sure, I will make one in 0.16 and the other in 0.17, just a moment
2017-03-19 18:15:09
rweait
I'm trying to add holding tags on curved sections of contours. Seems like I can only add them to flat / straight segments of polyline contours / pockets?
2017-03-19 18:15:40
rweait
er.profiles
2017-03-19 18:16:12
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) @normandc I know, but I do not really know how to deactivate it. I just do know how to push updates. The snap shall be updated soon but we do need the new build infrastructure unfortunatly.
2017-03-19 18:17:08
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1489947458.png
2017-03-19 18:17:08
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1489947511.png
2017-03-19 18:17:09
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) FreeCAD 0.16: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8WZj6JJHZDwc0FDSG5KWXBwQWs
2017-03-19 18:18:56
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) @normandc thanks, that is exactly what I am trying to make, I would even prefer that I am the stupid here who is been doing things wrong
2017-03-19 18:19:10
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola I specifically told you *not* to check "Closed shape"!
2017-03-19 18:19:49
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola Please look at my second screenshot and make sure your Loft parameters are exactly the same
2017-03-19 18:20:59
markvandenborre
I notice people using FreeCADBot2 are contributing to this channel quite heavily; where are you working from?
2017-03-19 18:21:12
markvandenborre
is there another channel than irc you are using collectively?
2017-03-19 18:21:23
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) gitter.im/freecad/freecad
2017-03-19 18:21:53
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @markvandenborre shouldn't there be a message on the IRC channel that explains it?
2017-03-19 18:22:26
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) @normandc I don't know what I have done wrong the first times, but with solid true and the other settings false this time it worked. Might be because I flipped the second circle? Anyway, I am certain that I tried all combinations of true and false settings. I am at the same time grateful for your correction and that it is my fault, not FreeCAD's :D
2017-03-19 18:23:15
markvandenborre
normandc, there probably is; I just see the first line of the channel topic in my irc client
2017-03-19 18:28:15
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola the "Closed" option does not make sense for only 2 profiles and will always generate an error. Maybe FreeCAD should throw an explicit message about that. See attached modified file: I moved the profiles around and created a third profile. Edit the Loft and set the "Closed" property to "true" to see what it does. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8EXnjMkh8zVTV9UeWNSMDFfX28/view?usp=sharing
2017-03-19 18:29:20
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) will do
2017-03-19 18:29:35
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @markvandenborre I asked because I know someone here set it up some time ago. I haven't logged to #freecad in a long time.
2017-03-19 18:30:18
rweait
Oh, that's going to leave a mark, "Fatal Error at file ...
2017-03-19 18:30:19
rweait
Exception message is:
2017-03-19 18:30:19
rweait
invalid document structure
2017-03-19 18:30:19
rweait
Reading failed from embedded file: GuiDocument.xml (0 bytes, 2 bytes compressed)"
2017-03-19 18:31:32
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) @normandc oh... it connects the ends. I get it now.
2017-03-19 18:32:42
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) > `doublehp` @normandc one sketch with 4 lines, when I do Arch-Walls, I got only 3 walls. https://drive.google.com/a/demaine.info/file/d/0B21isvLhQPTyVFpqVF96c2l4RTA/view?usp=sharing
2017-03-19 18:32:42
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) I can't get access to your file, it needs authorization.
2017-03-19 18:33:44
doublehp
@normandc https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21423 => https://forum.freecadweb.org/download/file.php?id=35223 is the same file
2017-03-19 18:34:09
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola yes! That's what I awkwardly tried to explained with my donut analogy.
2017-03-19 18:40:56
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @vejmarie about Part containers: in the GUI, it is possible to drag & drop a Part into another one. Obviously it must be possible in C++ or python as well. IMHO, swapping use of Compounds for Part containers in the STEP export/import utility would be a huge improvement. You wouldn't need to hide the compounds and toggle the visibility of their contents. But I am only an end user so I can't know how hard it will be to implement.
2017-03-19 18:42:18
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @ vejmarie DeepSOIC once shared a FreeCAD document on the forum showing what an assembly could look like using the new Part containers. If I can find it I'll paste the link.
2017-03-19 18:42:38
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) @normandc Yes, I have seen that the drag and drop is working, but the reference plane of the drag part is not copied and I still do not understand why. I agree, if I can make work that stuff it will be far much faster to read a STEP file and then avoid unecessary computation. I am still tracking what I am doing wrong in the code.
2017-03-19 18:44:30
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @vejmarie when you say the reference plane of the dragged part is not copied, what do you mean exactly? Is your intent to match the dragged part's BodyOrigin with the the host Part's?
2017-03-19 18:45:04
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) ye
2017-03-19 18:45:06
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) yes
2017-03-19 18:45:46
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) Otherwise I also need to know how to recompute that stuff in c++. I am digging into the source code currently, learning the new implementation, but as I am not sure what we shall expect it is not that easy ;)
2017-03-19 18:46:29
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) In fact the X_Axis,Z_Axis, XZ_Plane of the drag part is left at the root node of the tree, which is fine, but they are becoming useless when the drop operation happen
2017-03-19 18:47:02
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) because when I am handling a big step file, you can't imagine how many of these stuff I do have a the root level
2017-03-19 18:47:44
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) > In fact the X_Axis,Z_Axis, XZ_Plane of the drag part is left at the root node of the tree, which is fine, but they are becoming useless when the drop operation happen
2017-03-19 18:47:45
FreeCADBot2
(normandc)
2017-03-19 18:47:45
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) I just noticed that! IMO this is a bug, the planes should be nested under the nested part. I remember seeing a forum topic about fixing the tree, don't know if it's related.
2017-03-19 18:48:27
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) Cool, I just noticed the planes can be dragged into their appropriate part manually.
2017-03-19 18:49:06
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) ... But not under its BodyOrigin...
2017-03-19 18:49:46
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) yep this is what I have observed. I suspect this is an issue
2017-03-19 18:50:11
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) I have open a thread on the forum, just need some feedback from DeepSOIC or icky and I shall be able to fix my code.
2017-03-19 18:51:18
markvandenborre
anyone with wiki write access around to fix http://freecadweb.org/tracker/view.php?id=2976 ?
2017-03-19 18:51:41
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Sure
2017-03-19 18:51:46
markvandenborre
(it's just about deleting obsolete info)
2017-03-19 18:52:18
markvandenborre
kkremitzki: thank you
2017-03-19 18:59:26
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) you're welcome
2017-03-19 19:21:59
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) @vejmarie are you Jean-Marie Verdun who just sent a message to the OSHWA 4 hours ago?
2017-03-19 20:04:46
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) @vejmarie maybe this PR will be useful for you https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=21334
2017-03-19 20:39:48
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) the forum staging environment is now working: https://freecad.io/forum/
2017-03-19 20:40:21
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) It redirects upon logging in to freecadweb.org for some reason though
2017-03-19 20:47:26
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) @Patola yep
2017-03-19 20:54:18
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Alright, logging in now works in the staging forum
2017-03-19 21:10:12
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) Is it possible to set up a private group room within the FreeCAD gitter?
2017-03-19 21:16:37
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) @kkremitzki I don't think so
2017-03-19 21:16:50
FreeCADBot2
(vejmarie) we tried unsseccessfully last week I think
2017-03-19 21:27:22
FreeCADBot2
(AjinkyaDahale) @luzpaz it works, I guess. PR622 is merged and the related bugs are fixed. Unless @yorik did all the markings by himself.
2017-03-19 21:45:58
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @kkremitzki - you can make separate rooms, but AFAICT they are only private in that they are separate from the this room
2017-03-19 21:46:52
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) There was a MacOS one at one point - I think @bblacey set it up?
2017-03-19 21:47:59
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) The macOS room is still there, click on Communities --> FreeCAD to display all current rooms
2017-03-19 21:49:54
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @normandc - mine only shows this FreeCAD room, I think I might've "hidden" the Mac one at some point
2017-03-19 21:51:50
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @normandc @kkremitzki - aha! The little globe icon at the top-right "More FreeCAD rooms"
2017-03-19 21:51:50
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @ianrrees what if you click on the Home link? https://gitter.im/FreeCAD/home
2017-03-19 21:52:28
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @ianrrees that's it! Same link as home
2017-03-19 21:53:58
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) I wish we created more specialized rooms to cut the noise ratio on the channel and organize thematic discussions. But I'm not sure rooms are synchronized by the FreeCADGitterBot...
2017-03-19 21:54:25
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) I guess I want the Gitter channel to look like the forum ;)
2017-03-19 21:54:32
FreeCADBot2
(kkremitzki) We should probably only have 1 room synced with IRC otherwise it'd be kinda barraged
2017-03-19 22:02:44
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) @normandc - have you often seen multiple conversations overlapping here, or are you more worried about catching up with the previous conversation when you sign on?
2017-03-19 22:05:25
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @ianrrees catching up, discriminating between multiple simultaneous conversations. Help requests mixed with development talk. It's a damn mess. I've never been an IRC fan because of this.
2017-03-19 22:06:17
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @ianrrees in short, I'd like to see at least two channels: help and devel. But I understand that may create problems with #freecad compatibility.
2017-03-19 22:06:41
FreeCADBot2
(ianrrees) yeah, I feel like part of that is inherent in chat rooms. The balance is with rooms getting too specialised they become hard to follow if you're interested in multiple topics.
2017-03-19 22:14:32
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) Private rooms AFAIK were a paid feature but should get avaiable to all now that Gitter is under Gitlab
2017-03-19 22:15:16
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) There is also a feature in development that will make it possible to work a bit like a forum
2017-03-19 22:17:06
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) Check and Gitlab blogs for more info about it
2017-03-19 22:17:07
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @AjinkyaDahale it looks like the the git commit message change worked and this tickets were closed (not manually by yorik)
2017-03-19 22:20:02
FreeCADBot2
(sasobadovinac) https://about.gitlab.com/2017/03/15/gitter-acquisition/
2017-03-19 22:23:58
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @sasobadovinac nice, thanks for the link.
2017-03-19 22:47:01
FreeCADBot2
(luzpaz) @kkremitzki https://freecad.io/wiki/User_hub the icons are wacky (sizes have been altered)
2017-03-19 23:23:28
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) aaargh... stumbling in yet another problem... Why I can't change the placement of this simple mirroredsketch? I try to change the values and even went to the placement dialog... the dialog seems to be changing it but when I click apply or ok, it reset to the previous place. This is a sketch, so I should be able to move it, right??? http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1489965886.png
2017-03-19 23:26:33
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I love FreeCAD but on the other hand I hate when it refuses to do what I want it to do!
2017-03-19 23:27:18
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I even had to mirror this sketch because it wouldn't rotate the original sketch in the first place
2017-03-19 23:44:43
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I can't even reorient my sketch!!!!
2017-03-19 23:56:12
XXCoder
sigh annoying bug
2017-03-19 23:56:25
XXCoder
the size input does allow math ops
2017-03-19 23:56:32
XXCoder
say if I want 3.6mm / 2
2017-03-19 23:56:35
XXCoder
it works
2017-03-19 23:56:51
XXCoder
but if I want say 2.3 - 1.1 it will error out because of more than one .
2017-03-19 23:57:01
XXCoder
cant it evaluate first before error check
2017-03-19 23:59:23
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola you don't give enough information to figure out the problem. How was that mirrorsketch created? Your screen capture doesn't even shows it listed in the Model tree. I'm sure you teach your students to be explicit in their questions...
2017-03-20 00:02:24
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) @normandc yes, sorry, I was in that one of frustrating moments where you try and do everything and it does not work. I created a floating sketch (not attached to any face) with some constraints, then used the mirrored clone to make it symmetric, then when I tried to get it rotated and translated to pad some wall it would not move. I am redoing it from scratch, but maybe you can understand what I am doing wrong. I don't know if it is onl
2017-03-20 00:02:24
FreeCADBot2
try to study every material about FreeCAD, and I always get stuck at these kind of frustrating moments. I have read yorik's book, I have even read general parametric modeling guidelines to 'make it right'. Hold on, I will get the file for you
2017-03-20 00:02:57
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) And I am really grateful for your good will.
2017-03-20 00:04:27
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola you talk or "mirrored clone" but there is no such tool in FreeCAD. Do you mean Part Mirror?
2017-03-20 00:06:00
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola sorry, forget what I wrote, just remembered the Mirror Sketch utility in the Sketcher
2017-03-20 00:06:21
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) the tool in sketcher where you 'create symmetric geometry'...
2017-03-20 00:06:23
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) yes, that's it
2017-03-20 00:07:41
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8WZj6JJHZDwdkhmU0hxM05Mam8 it's Sketcher002 that's unmovable
2017-03-20 00:08:59
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I do not even need to solve the problem for that particular sketch; I just need to understand what is it that prevents it from moving so I can make it again, but right. I fail to understand FreeCAD's way of working at times.
2017-03-20 00:10:55
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola then sorry, but that's the intended behaviour of the Sketcher and PartDesign workbenches: you can never move an object that is based on an existing sketch. If you need to change the object's placement, you need to change the original sketch's placement. That being said, you can also edit the MirroredSketch and move the profile in relation to its sketch origin. Unfortunately, once the sketch is mirrored, its content is not link
2017-03-20 00:10:55
FreeCADBot2
sketch, only its placement.
2017-03-20 00:11:23
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I tried that
2017-03-20 00:11:34
XXCoder
so thats why there is new "body" in daily?
2017-03-20 00:11:43
XXCoder
so body can move coord without altering sketches?
2017-03-20 00:11:49
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I backtracked to the original sketch, got a way to transform it directly and it still wasn't moving
2017-03-20 00:12:14
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I was trying to move Sketch002, not MirroredSketch
2017-03-20 00:13:14
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola Sketch002 is mapped to Fillet, any mapped sketch cannot be moved independently.
2017-03-20 00:14:28
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) I know but I even unmapped the sketch and tried to move it
2017-03-20 00:17:22
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola Sketch002 is not unmapped. Go to Part Design or Sketcher menu --> Reorient sketch. A dialog will ask you if you want to detach it from its support. Click yes. Then a second dialog appears to select the sketch orientation. Click Cancel to keep the sketch where it is. Now it's detached from Fillet and can be moved.
2017-03-20 00:17:54
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) But you need to refresh first, notice the blue checkmark on the Sketch icon in the tree.
2017-03-20 00:19:48
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @XXCoder the FreeCAD forum is where you will get the most info, not on IRC nor on Gitter. For changes to PartDesign in 0.17-dev, read https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15432
2017-03-20 00:20:29
XXCoder
thanks normandc
2017-03-20 00:21:08
XXCoder
bore on cylinder without hacks? dang nice
2017-03-20 00:21:21
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @XXCoder look for the "Useful links" at the bottom, specifically "Updated PartDesign workflow" and "What's new in PartDesign Next", they give some explanations.
2017-03-20 00:22:01
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) @normandc thank you, I am sure I tried something like that, and I would select the sketch and try the reorient entry but it would be greyed out (this was later, after I had messed with it a little more). That's twice today that I had a tantrum and you proved me lame, I don't know how I can get FreeCAD so wrongly. I will try to improve and I can only apologize.
2017-03-20 00:22:14
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @XXCoder: there's a danger in trying out 0.17, you won't want to go back to 0.16! But keep in mind more changes might be coming that will break existing files made in the current 0.17.
2017-03-20 00:22:27
XXCoder
yeah im not using .17 yet
2017-03-20 00:22:39
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) not very good for a FreeCAD teacher, I know
2017-03-20 00:25:07
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola no need to apologize, I should have added a smiley in my last barb. ;) FreeCAD can indeed be frustrating. I've been using it for such a long time sometimes I forget I had to learn it first. The advantage I have over most is that I was there very early, 7 years ago, and I saw the additions and new features added progressively, so I had a long time to digest everything. Well, of course not everything. There are still great gaps
2017-03-20 00:25:07
FreeCADBot2
knowledge.
2017-03-20 00:25:27
XXCoder
my first experence was 0.13
2017-03-20 00:25:29
XXCoder
ugh
2017-03-20 00:25:42
XXCoder
then i discovered its linux distro copy that was ancient
2017-03-20 00:25:46
XXCoder
yay 0.16
2017-03-20 00:26:32
XXCoder
its sad that pretty often in here I ask "do you know 0.16 is latest" and answer is "no..."
2017-03-20 00:26:42
XXCoder
distros really need to update faster.
2017-03-20 00:27:44
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) when I ty and map it to a face, it seems to reset the Sketch's coordinates, and then I can't move it again. Is there any way to prevent it, or somehow 'apply' the translation transformation so it gets shift to the right place on the face?
2017-03-20 00:27:46
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) 0.9 was my first. Sketcher didn't exist, not PartDesign, Arch and a boatload of others.
2017-03-20 00:27:59
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) wow.
2017-03-20 00:28:11
XXCoder
dang
2017-03-20 00:28:46
XXCoder
one thing I wish is possible is easy discovery of noncontrained stuff
2017-03-20 00:29:16
XXCoder
ah finally found missing
2017-03-20 00:29:16
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) I was there when 3 developers were working on the Sketcher/PartDesign daily and each day there was new stuff. It was amazing.
2017-03-20 00:29:38
FreeCADBot2
(sgrogan) @Patola Do you know these tools? https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Std_DependencyGraph and https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Part_CheckGeometry
2017-03-20 00:30:55
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola unfortunately in 0.16, as soon as you map a sketch to a face, it adopts the face coordinate system. There is simply no way around that. In 0.17-dev, there is now a new "super-Placement" set of properties that supersedes the basic Placement.
2017-03-20 00:31:15
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) Yes, I might as well use 0.17 then
2017-03-20 00:31:24
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) will have to create part/ body elements for it tho
2017-03-20 00:31:48
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) sort of. But not too deeply.
2017-03-20 00:31:48
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) > @Patola Do you know these tools? https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Std_DependencyGraph and https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Part_CheckGeometry
2017-03-20 00:33:16
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @XXCoder what Linux distro are you using? Lazy updates is why I pushed for then managed the Ubuntu PPA for 4 years. Now @sgrogan is in charge!
2017-03-20 00:33:19
XXCoder
"It is not needed anymore that a sketch is located on a face of a feature. Even if created anywhere in the 3d space the features get added / subtracted from the body"
2017-03-20 00:33:26
XXCoder
xfce mint
2017-03-20 00:33:32
FreeCADBot2
(Patola) @normandc I found out why I was stuck; the reorient face appears greyed out when you're in the part design workbench, it is only when you change to the sketcher workbench that it turns selectable. As I almost always use part design when dealing with sketches, I was not finding a way to detach my sketch
2017-03-20 00:34:18
XXCoder
heh that feature can make real nightmare of a model. just like C flexiability means can ave nightmare of c program lol
2017-03-20 00:36:00
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @XXCoder you mean the text you just quoted? Actually I think not requiring to map a sketch on a face will allow us to make more robust models. The difference now is you can map your sketch to the Body's base planes or custom datum planes.
2017-03-20 00:36:10
XXCoder
indeed
2017-03-20 00:36:46
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @Patola I encountered the same thing in your file and found it odd. It was the first time that Reorient sketch would be greyed out for me in the partDesign workbench.
2017-03-20 00:38:48
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @XXCoder, re: xfce mint, so I'm guessing you're using the Ubuntu PPA? We also have an AppImage for other distros, but it was only made for 64-Bit. It was provided by the developer of AppImage, we need to figure out how to produce them ourselves... Or better, someone new to volunteer to take care of them.
2017-03-20 00:39:00
XXCoder
ppa yeah
2017-03-20 00:39:26
XXCoder
techinically im developer lol but been too long
2017-03-20 00:40:31
FreeCADBot2
(normandc) @XXCoder one thing that 0.17 needs to improve is the Sketch attachment utility. For example it's not obvious how to create a parallel datum plane. You create a plane on an existing base plane then you need to edit the super Placement Z property.
2017-03-20 00:42:46
XXCoder
I love blue draft lines and features
2017-03-20 00:42:50
XXCoder
makes some stuff so much easier.
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